Well well well, apparently Bordry was caught in another lie requiring the New York Times to run a correction on Friday

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/sports/c...g/16landis.html

Correction: February 19, 2010

An article on Tuesday about the issuing of an arrest warrant in France for the United States cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a computer data hacking case from 2006 misstated the suspicions of investigators after a security breach at the French antidoping lab that tested Landis's urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France. Investigators found that an e-mail message sent to another lab in an apparent effort to discredit the Châtenay-Malabry antidoping lab — the message included nonpublic documents from Landis's Tour testing, the first indication that the French lab had been hacked — had originated from the same Internet Protocol address used by Arnie Baker, then Landis's coach; they did not conclude that a Trojan horse program used to download files remotely from the lab could have originated from an e-mail message sent from Baker's computer. (In fact, a French computer specialist, Alain Quiros, has confessed to the hacking.)

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So all that about emailing directly to Baker was made up. The French have nothing.

Good job. You've proven that The Old Grey Lady can get it wrong once in awhile too. Fortunately, the rest of us knew there was no connection between Baker and the actual hacking months and months ago. The question was (and continues to be) what tertiary involvement the Landis team had (funding, dissemination after the fact, etc).

May 29, 2009:

Landis case twist: hacking lab computer



Hence, the request for Landis and Baker to answer questions. That any moron would believe the Trojan Horse story, or accept that Bordry speaks for the French police or judiciary is truly telling.

One can only hope, for Floyd's sake, that the more intelligent individuals in Landis' camp aren't placing as much stock in Bordry's ramblings as you are.

Exactly!

Earth to Rip van ORG, this is already the subject of a thread here on DPF and the news broke more than a month earlier than MacRoadie's reference - which is almost a full year ago. It is part of a high profile hacking case in France that involves Greenpeace and Electricite de France. The Landis/Baker connection was actually the incident that broke the case.

Espionnage: après EDF, des affaires Vivendi et Landis?
17 Avril 2009 Par Fabrice Arfi Fabrice Lhomme L'affaire de piratage informatique n'éclaboussera pas qu'EDF. Outre Greenpeace, l'officine Kargus Consultants et l'informaticien Alian Quiros ont aussi espionné l'ancien avocat des petits porteurs, Me Frédérik-Karel Canoy, et le Laboratoire national de dépistage du dopage (LNDD). Or, d'après le dossier judiciaire, dont Mediapart a pu prendre connaissance, les enquêteurs disposent de pistes sérieuses. La première conduit à l'affaire Vivendi; la seconde mène à Floyd Landis, en guerre avec les acteurs français de la lutte antidopage depuis qu'il a été déchu de son titre de vainqueur du Tour de France 2006

Careful, though MacRoadie, ORG already believes that Bordry is the official spokesperson for the Government of France. Speaking for the French police and judiciary is likely something ORG believes Bordry can manage in his spare time.

Dave.

Bordry is acting like an official spokesman and getting everything wrong. In the process if further sullies Landis' name.

Why?

tell that to some of the good folks at cycling news forums, although i'm not sure if it's ignorance or inability to open be minded about it all.

Who lied to Time Magazine? Sure sounds like the self-appointed French justice spokesman Bordry.



Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
First Doping, Now Hacking: The Floyd Landis War
By Bruce Crumley / Paris

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1964588,00.html

Pierre Bordry's lab was broken into. To find out who did it, the head of France's antidoping agency filed a legal suit in November 2006. He claimed that someone hacked into the computers of his main laboratory, which was analyzing urine samples taken from American cyclist Floyd Landis that year. Those samples had already tested positive for testosterone doping; as a result, Landis was stripped of his Tour de France crown. But the hackers accessing the lab's computers falsified files linked to Landis' case. The altered data were then circulated as evidence that the lab's work was so sloppy it shouldn't be trusted as proof against Landis. To no avail: he was eventually banned from the sport for two years. Now, a local magistrate has issued a warrant for Landis' arrest — should he set foot in France — in connection with the hacking investigation.

The reason? A search in late 2006 by French investigators of the lab's compromised computers found a "Trojan horse" program that allowed the hackers to access and download files. Further investigations by French justice officials determined that the program probably got into the lab's system via an e-mail sent from an IP address allegedly traced to Landis' coach Arnie Baker — a physician who defended Landis by questioning the credibility of Bordry's lab. Judge Thomas Cassuto wants to question both Landis and Baker about the hacking. "These two men were convoked a first time by the judge, but did not deign to respond," Bordry told TIME, explaining why Cassuto decided to issue an arrest warrant for Landis. Bordry says a similar arrest warrant had already been issued for Baker in November 2009. (See a brief history of the Tour de France.)

Bordry insists that Cassuto called both men in for questioning but received no reply. He also says the thrust of Landis' complaint is off-target. "This is a legal investigation about the illegal intrusion [into] a state-sanctioned organization, led by a judge who doesn't care about sports, doping or cycling," Bordry tells TIME. "It doesn't matter if the guilty party is French, American or Chinese — someone committed this crime, and the judge is following evidence leading him to whom it was."

Bordry denies the existence of a vendetta. He says it was American cycling officials and international authorities who decided to ban Landis and uphold the stripping of his 2006 Tour title for cheating. "That decision was made without any ambiguity long ago," Bordry says. "This is a legal inquiry into the violation of French law."

Landis is likely to point to history to counter Bordry's evocation of judicial objectivity. In 2005, seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong attacked the credibility of Bordry's labs after an article in the French sports daily l'Equipe said preserved samples of his 1998 and 1999 races had tested positive for doping. "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty," Armstrong said via his website — one of the many swipes at the lab he's taken over the years. Bordry proposed a second testing, but Armstrong dismissed the idea, claiming the samples had already been improperly handled. Bordry would have none of it. "Scientifically, there is no problem analyzing these samples — everything is correct," Bordry argued in 2005. "If [a retest] had been clean, it would have been very good for him. But he doesn't want to do it, and that's his problem." Landis would be wise to steer clear of France for awhile. His battle with Bordry and the French is no longer about doping in sports but about violating French law.

So you are saying that Arnie emailing out the hacked documents using an LNDD employee's is not evidence?

What is known about who paid Quiros employer has not been made public yet. All that is know is that they were English speakers. This hardly clears Arnie or Floyd.

it doesn't exclude you either. mmmmm..........

Then go to San Diego and question them or start extradition proceedings to get them to France.

Since neither has happened it seems like the French are not interested in what AB and FL have to say. Instead Bordry makes stuff up to tell reporters.




I was just going to say that Surf's rationale means Vaun should also have an "international arrest warrant" from the French too to get our real names to question us. Those documents were available on this site and I took them from this site and emailed them to a friend. I speak English, I contributed to the FFF, maybe I financed it!

More tin foil hats for everyone!

Look, if you want a real conspiracy to theorize about, start here: When the Feds Poisoned Citizens. Given that doping is part of that case, it has more pertinent subject matter than this thread.

Dave.

I am sure even you realize how ridiculous this post is.

Have them PM me and I'll be happy to give them all my contact information, not warrant necessary.




Well, of course you did.

no more than your absurd claims above

What absurd claims?

Arnie emailed the hacked documents long before they were in the public domain. He did so using a LNDD employee's email account. Comparing this to posting on an internet message board months after the fact is absurd.....but consider what else you have posted here not surprising.

How do you, or anyone else, know the moment they became public? Only Quitos know that. The French can ask him, not AB or FL.

When Arnie got them, they were in the public domain. Just because he was a few hours ahead of TBV or this site does not make it a crime.

You're are bad as Bordry, making stuff up.

The first time the hacked documents entered the public domain was when Arnie sent several e-mails, disguised as coming from the email account of Norman Crépin of the LNDD, to sports institutions UCI, IOC, WADA amongst other recipients.

If you have evidence that shows something different then please present it. It has been accurately reported that it was Arnie's emails using Norman Crepin's Email account that initiated the hacking case.

So why don't the French go to San Diego and question him or Extredite him?

Why didn't Cassuto respond to AB's email to him last May?

You seem to think the French have a good case against AB. Problem is The French do not seem that interested in pursuing it. Maybe because their is no case.

You seem to not understand what a summons is. When the police deliver a summons to your door you do not say "Tell the judge to come talk to me"

Why doesn't Arnie go to France? What does he have to hide?

Have you not been paying attention? No such summons was delivered. That the main point of my posts over and over. (source here is not only Baker by the French court confirmed this as well by calling it a "national warrant.")

What he has to hide is many thousands of dollars in his bank account that a trip to France with a national arrest warrant would cause him to lose. Maybe if you write him a check for his legal and transportation fees for such an undertaking, he might consider it. 30k to 50k is what it will probably cost.

Again, Arnie has offered to talk under the Treaty and said so last November. Why are the French so uninterested in following their own rules (the Treaty they signed with the US)?

It appears you have not been paying attention.

Arnie has admitted receiving a summons. You have no basis for your claim that it was filed improperly, even Arnie has not claimed this. The 50K number you quote is your invention, and like most of Landis' case it has no basis in reality.

Once again you are totally off the mark. The entire French nation has united in a massive effort to run Floyd and Arnie into the ground. Each and every French citizen has rehearsed their role in this, Bordry is only one of 60 million participants.

Luckily you are there to save the day for truth and justice!

Yes it is an invention as I have not tried to hire a French lawyer that specializes in defending foreigners in computer hacking cases. But, I have hired lawyers in specialized instances in the past (including one in Switzerland) and I have a vague idea of how much they cost. And, in thinking about it again, I could be low.




Ummm .... that is exactly what you can do when you an American in San Diego and the "police" are French. Their is a treaty that lays out the limitations of the French in this case. He has rights as an American citizen and one of them is to follow the treaty and request the French come to him and waste their money.

Are you suggesting he give up right as a citizens and blindly fly to France and get thrown in jail?

I think that's exactly what he's suggesting.

Clearly, despite the personal suffering that Landis has endured as a result of this case, Surftel does not yet feel that he has received his pound of flesh.

It's not good to wish such misery on another person, especially one who has never directed harm at you ... Bad Surftel !

So you are saying that because Landis lied for 4 years that he should be allowed to employ a hacker to hack the LNDD computers? You do have a strange moral code.

Arnie does not appear to have been effected much by their four year fraud, shouldn't he go?



It is good that you at least admit that Arnie and Floyd are hiding out in San Diego in order to avoid prosecution for their crime.

The righteous have nothing to fear.

So we can assume, then, that from this point on, if a foreign national wanted for questioning with regards to a crime committed in the US refuses to come to the US, you will support that? Like, say, Roman Polanski? Or does that sympathy only apply to Americans, or more precisely, an American cyclist that you happen to be a fan of?

An arrest warrant is an arrest warrant, doesn't matter if it's the French issuing one for an American like Landis or the US issuing one for someone in France, like Polanski, nor does it matter what the crime involved is.

Polanski and Marc Rich ... the Swiss refuse to extradite them, and the U.S has asked. That's how the system works. With FL and AB they have not asked for extradition. The French are not following the rules by asking for extradition or going to San Diego to interview them. All we have is Bordry whining in the press.

Difference also is Polanski is wanted for a crime (statutory rape) and Rich is wanted on tax evasion (largest in American history). Are you camparing this to refusing to appear for questioning? Do you treat family members busted for speeding the same as rapists?

But you keep telling us there is a treaty in place that will prevent that from happening, right?

Last time I checked, hacking into a private computer network for the purpose of stealing documents is a crime as well.

I just finished a biography of Marc Rich, "The King of Oil". As usual you have no idea of what you are talking about. The book goes into detail of how the Swiss were willing to hand over Rich and helped the US investigation. It has interviews with the key Swiss and American law enforcement. It fell apart due to the Americans, not the Swiss.

Hmmm. Ok, you admit that you contributed to the FFF. Are you sure you didn't author the site?

Dave.

What does this mean?

It means that your hyperbole about following rules sounds exactly like it came from the FloydFairnessFund site itself.

The nice thing about the Intarwebs is that if you post it, it is there forever even if you take down your site:

From WayBack Engine:

ADOs: Follow Your Own Rules
USADA: Follow Your Own Rules
WADA: Follow Your Own Rules

Yup, that is a lot of hyperbole. What is really required here is simple: Floyd, follow the rules!

In fact, perhaps we should promote a letter-writing campaign to Congress to encourage them to prosecute Floyd should he continue his campaign to avoid following the rules. Here is the link from the FFF site: http://web.archive.org/web/20070123012608/...e.gov/writerep/

Everyone should be encouraged to write their member of Congress to advise them about what a rule-breaker Floyd is, how he continues to damage the sport, and even the world's perception of US justice and fairness, and that he is way past his three strikes.

Please note that I still strongly believe in the mission statement for FFF

1. I do believe that Floyd should not be subject to unsubstantiated doping allegations. Particularly when there are so many substantiated allegations to worry about.

2. I believe that we should provide the means to achieve fairness for Floyd, even if that means encouraging him to go to France to face his latest accusers. And even if in so doing he finds himself incarcerated.

This also includes showing respect to those institutions that demonstrated conclusively that Floyd doped. In Fairness, Floyd should both acknowledge the doping to the cycling community and provide an apology for the overly aggressive nature of his approach. Floyd should further provide us with any and all occasions where he or those 'working for him' perpetuated a lie by using any portion of any document obtained illegitimately through this or any other hacking or illegal means and/or any use of any forged document in his PR campaign.

As Floyd himself stated on October 10, 2007 "Two wrongs never make a right." And we have been witness to plenty of wrongs - far more than two - that have been perpetuated by Floyd and his team.

3. I further believe that we should definitely bring justice to those responsible for misconduct in this case.

At this point, that would include Will, Arnie and Floyd himself for their (mis)conduct with respect to the Greg LeMond harassment and with respect to any involvement - even peripheral - in the hacking of lab and in the dissemination of documents from Arnie's computer masquerading as email from Cretin.

This also includes not responding to a summons or a warrant. While the doping case was merely about rules of sport, as there is as yet no sporting fraud laws that would apply, these other items appear to fall into criminal activity. Criminals should face justice.

With respect to the FFF site itself, I further believe that the conduct around raising money under - almost certain - false premises should further be investigated and that any misconduct should result in judicial action. Minimally, the FFF should provide a full accounting of receipts and expenditures.

Bottom line, Floyd needs to practice what he preaches and the FFF preached.

If you are going to suggest that the French, or anyone else, "follow the rules" please bear in mind that Floyd is a proven rule-breaker of the worst kind.

Dave.

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I still don't know what you mean with this hysterical rant. I guess you want FL to admit he doped as part of a suicide letter.

see me post here
http://www.dailypelotonforums.com/main/ind...st&p=162480

Just "almost certain" ? Do I detect an element of doubt ... ?

I always suspected as much. Debating does not require belief in the stance you take and I never believed DQueud ... he always protested too much.

That is not something to joke about in this case, don't you think?

Dave.

No, you detect an intelligent man avoiding absolutes and hyperbole in favor of providing the FFF with a small benefit of the doubt as to what their premise (public or private) may have been in setting up the FFF in the first place.

I know, it's all new and confusing to you, but you'll come to appreciate rational thinking....someday.

It is possible for Floyd to admit he was a doping liar without killing himself.

I live in San Diego County and would be glad to throw Arnie in the nearest jail of the DPF's collective choosing....the one I prefer is about 50k South of Ensenada...or in Mexicali...really not very nice places....
if only to preserve this lovely sport from the geekinoma that presents itself in every cell of AB's royal fredness.

Arnie would last about as long in one of those stinkholes as he would in a real bike race in Belgium, where he would be bouncing on his ruff in the gutter or on the grass within about 5 minutes of the start.

Kinda what Hugh Walton said to Bostick a long time ago.

Surf, DQ MR,...you guys are killing me here! Stop it! Really! I know THEY (Ali, ORG, etc.) don't think it is funny, but it is so obvious...and your take on this is making my sides hurt!