http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4915919

Having grown up near Mennonites, for whom right living and moral choices are paramount, I feel sorry for Landis' parents. What a nightmare his life has turned out to be.

Wasn't it alleged to be some ex-intelligence bloke who did the hacking on Landis' behalf? I'm guessing Floyd was off having whisky and beer to keep his T levels up and not actually pressing the computer keyboard himself!?

Allegedly solicited and paid for by Arnie Baker...

Cassuto also issued a national warrant for Arnie Baker, a retired doctor and longtime Landis coach and adviser, the prosecutor's office said.

Oh yeah, might as well add this from his highness, the ultimate authority:

Lance Armstrong is prepared to "forgive and forget" and welcome Floyd Landis back to cycling when his former teammate ends a two-year doping ban in the Tour of California in February.

...

Landis said in an Associated Press interview Thursday that his return would be "good for cycling" and Armstrong, who will also ride in the Tour of California, agreed.

There you have it. Landis is good for cycling, and god for cycling agreed.


Dave.

Floyd chose his companions, consorts, & defense team. Either he's a terrible judge of people, which reflects badly on him, or his judgment is accurate, which is an even worse reflection on him for associating with people who cross the ethical line.

In a way, I wish it were Landis who did the actual hacking. At least it would show he has a chance of making a living outside the cycling world*. What hope does he have for any kind of decent life now?


*computer smarts, that is.

Hey, there's always cycling.

Dave.

I think hackers generally get locked up and barred from computer access (the ones who are sloppy enough to get caught) so no dice there I'm afraid.

And hopefully the US authorities will send Landis to France to face the heat, after all the effort they put into extraditing asperger's sufferer Gary McKinnon from the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/he...radition-appeal

Never thought I would say this, but under the circumstances, I would really like Floyd to defend his cycling record at the Tour this year.

Of course, what kind of message is it if they throw a party for you and you don't show up?

All of his mouthpieces will surely be flooding the FFF with donations now so that Floyd can clear himself once and for all.

Dave.

Somehow, Arnie "the man they couldn't hang" Baker has managed to elude the long arm of the French law enforcement agencies, since his warrant was issued last year. Maybe Inspector Clouseau lost his flight ticket whilst tripping over a suspicious package at CDG airport and, hilariously, pulling down an attractive young woman's dress as he grasped desperately to break his fall (the woman, of course, being the girlfriend of an insanely jealous leader of a French garlic smuggling gang).

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it, if I were Floyd. So he can't race in France ... big deal. Been there, bought the t-shirt.

Let me fix that for you

Thanks Cowboy. Welcome back to the board.

I think the point I was making was that Floyd need not lie awake at night, fearing the "international arrest warrant"

Just another farce in this sad saga.

Don't know WTF the French are thinking ... get over it !

Its not a "international" arrest warrant but a national one.

some quotes from the LA times

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-floyd-...0,5977568.story

Landis on Monday denied he hacked anything and said no one has served any warrant against him, though he wasn't sure whether his former coach, Arnie Baker, had received one. It was allegedly a computer registered to Baker that is associated with the case.

"I can't speak for Arnie, but no attempt has been made to formally contact me," Landis said in an e-mail. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself."

Baker did not respond to e-mail or phone messages.

The original allegations of hacking were based on an electronic paper trail that allegedly was tied to Baker's computer address.

But Philip Lieberman, founder and chief executive of Lieberman Software, a Los Angeles-based company that specializes in software management, including security issues, said he thinks there must be more to the story.

"This story is contradictory in that, in one sense, there seem to be extensive logs, yet it is a system that appears to be capable of being hacked into. You either are not security-aware and don't have logs or are security-aware and do have logs."

Lieberman said he would like to ask the lab who had access to the system.

"An interesting question about this," he said, "is was there a third party involved that had authorization to get through the firewall to see results and shared that account?"

Perhaps you should consider which fish wrap you are relying upon

CBS:A French judge has issued an international arrest warrant for U.S. cyclist Floyd Landis

Dave.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-war...andis-in-france


According to Agency France Presse, the warrant is valid for France, suggesting he will only be arrested if he steps foot on French soil.

So, I guess it is ok then? Landis should mock this?

Are you also being dismissive of something this significant?

Anyhow, try another source:

An international warrant essentially puts him on INTERPOL's wanted list and begins the process for possible extradition to France

This version is consistent with the original Reuters report that described an "International Arrest Warrant".

Meanwhile, your source, CyclingNews (no offense guys), cannot make up its mind http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/internatio...andis-in-france

Isn't it time that Landis manned up here?

And, does it really matter whether it is national or international? If only national now, should we not expect an international version to follow?

Whether national or international, having an arrest warrant served isn't exactly a good thing. This has been a topic here for months, with the story of the request to appear ("French Authorities Summon Landis and Baker") breaking last May - almost a year ago.

Landis' recent claims of being unaware come across as contrived at best.

Thus far, Landis' handling of this is, unfortunately, appears more consistent with sociopathic behavior than social responsibility.

Dave.

Since you mocked the FFF so much, why don't you donate Landis $50k to go to Paris and answer these charges (see the post in the Landis channel for why it would cost $50k).

Call it the "Go To Paris Fund" You need Floyd's address, happy to PM it to you.

If you can assure me that Landis will go to Paris, and that my $50 is truly required, then no problem.

I am sure I could provide it to Vaughn, who could forward it anon.

Dave.

The orginial source for all the news stories was a Reuters interview with Bordry, who called it an "international" arrest warrant.

A French judiciary spokesperson later said that was incorrect and that it is only national.

That is why there is some confusion, and why the CN story was changed.

Susan

always the voice of reason! thank you for clarifying, Susan.

Thanks.

Now if only my 16-year-old son would agree with you.....

Susan

You're a wimp, write him a check for $50,000 and tell him its for him to go to Paris and properly answer the warrant. What's with the anon stuff?

Better send the money to me and I will act as your intermediary.

Baker has had a warrant since November and no one heard of it. Landis had one since January 28 and no one heard of it until last weekend.

It became news because Bordry incorrectly characterized it as a international warrant. Further Bordry's characterization left one with the impression that Landis was being charged as part of the hacker crowd. This is also inaccurate. They only want to question him about it, huge difference. Like I said before, it's equivalent of a contempt of court that anyone would get for not showing up to answer questions from a local DA. Happens all the time and is no big deal.

Why did Bordry say all this? I think he lied. Why did he lie? Because Landis is looking to hook up with an international team. So, Bordry is taking it upon himself to negatively influence Landis' ability to earn a living.

Landis served his time. He's no different than Virenque, Basso or Millar. Yet the authorities want to further punish him because he dared to try and mount a defense.

That's what this is about, extracting revenge with government money, to send a message to anyone else that fails a "A-sample" test ... just shut up, immediately go in a hole and die.

Served his time?! For doping maybe but if he is involved in an attempt to illegally access computer systems then that is something altogether different and one, which if true, he will have to serve some other sort of time for.

http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2010/02/floy...lena.html#links

and

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/new...-hacking_105351

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/new...-hacking_105351

Landis adviser says he’s offered to talk, denies hacking[/url]</h1>Arnie Baker, the former Floyd Landis advisor who was named in a French arrest warrant along with Landis yesterday, said he has has offered to talk to French authorities but they have not taken him up on the offer. Baker denies any involvement in hacking into the French anti-doping agency’s computer system, the alleged act French authorities said they want to talk to him about.

“Months ago I offered to be interviewed through the applicable U.S.-French Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and the French authorities have not done so,” Baker told VeloNews in an email Tuesday. “I want to make it clear once again: I never hacked into, and never helped or hired or asked anyone to hack into, the LNDD (French anti-doping) computer system.”


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So it's the French authorities that are too cheap to send someone to San Diego to talk to Baker ... Hummmm

Nothing in this case has ever been like the French claim it is.

The Landis warrant is OFFICIALY for "computer hacking, linked directly or not".

For someon who knows few about french justice, you should be carefull in your assumption.

Bordry, as responsable of LNDD, has the duty to protect his office even of hackers.
You are confusing doping and hacking. One can be just a sport issue for an athlete, the second is a breach of civil laws.

Word. You can bet if it was the other way round, if a Frenchman was accussed of financing a hacking into Federal computers the guy wouldn't just say he offered to talk to them about it on his home soil and expect that to be the end of the matter.

Sure thing.

But, I will need your help first. My uncle used to work for a Nigerian Bank and I will give you $50,000 if you can help me get the money that he took. Just post your bank account information (institution, transit number, address, etc.) on here and I will make sure to solve this for you. Oh, I may need your birthdate and home address as well. Don't worry, though, we can trust everyone on this forum.

Of his millions of supporters, there aren't 1,000 that can help out here with the equivalent of a small race entry fee?

Landis has no friends? Please say it ain't so.

Dave.

meow!

If the French were so concerned about FL financing a hacking ring into their Government computers, they can pay $660 dollars to fly to San Diego to interview him and Baker. So, why don't they?

Apparently you have a copy of the warrant, could you please post a copy of it?

Otherwise, what third hand source did you use to make these statements. In a post above I clearly laid out if was to talk to him (and bolded the important words), and the warrant is for failing to appear. It is NOT for being part of the hacking ring.

At this point Bordry has made more inaccurate statements than I have.

You have plenty to beat up Floyd about, but the fact you have to invent warrants that do not exist (for hacking instead of questions) reflects your bias.

Hair splitting!

There is a warrant out for his arrest.

Everyone on this forum, and many in the cycling community were well aware of the request to appear. Floyd's defense is again full of holes.

There is a warrant. Floyd is again using denial as defense.

Enough said.

Dave.

Again, If the French were really interested in what Landis knew, they can fly to San Diego. Instead they are more interested in sensational headlines, complete with Bordry lying and calling it an "International Warrant For His Arrest."

Floyd should not respond. He should not waste his money over this.

You're an idiot in telling him to go to them. You should either 1) send him $50k to go to Paris, 2) demand the French go to San Diego.

Your argument that everyone should run to the ends of the earth over any demand from a court is silly.

So you just swallow whole anything that comes out of Arnie Baker's mouth? I'd do the exact opposite -- assume any comment he makes at this point is deliberately self-serving and not to be trusted in the absence of documentary proof.

Seriously, this is a guy who is making the claim that the hacking that traced back to his physical IP address has absolutely nothing to do with him. You believe that nonsense, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

First, I am not an idiot, but go ahead and sling more mud. Somebody out there may actually feel you are adding to the credibility of your argument. How is it idiotic to defen oneself if you are innocent? Of course, it would be entirely idiotic to continue this path of denial and denigration.

France is the end of the earth? How 'Yankee-go-home' American of you. The Tour de France remains the center of the cycling universe. Have a little ketchup with your Freedom Fries.

Floyd has long proven that he is a fool with money. I don't need to throw my good money after his foolishness. Why should I, or anyone else, support Floyd's defense now? What is your preoccupation that I should cough up $50k for Floyd?

What has he done to earn that kind of support? From me or anyone else?

What is the return on that investment? After all, those weren't my blood bags in the refrigerated panniers. Perhaps someone else can front him some more blood money.

Floyd remains an unrepetent cheater. He has damaged the integrity of the sport, and has cost me and many others indirectly as a result - minimally through guilt by association. Having raised money for cycling causes, Floyd has alread stolen money from my pocket by diminishing the value of that investment.

The only thing he appears to be good at is continuing to generate negative headlines for cycling.

He does not deserve my respect.

Do the crime, do the time.

Dave.

Isn't it an 'arrest' warrant?

They don't want to interview FL and AB, they want to arrest them and charge them with hacking.

Should you not be directing more of the venom at Baker on this matter? I certainly wouldn't defend anything Floyd's done, but as a practical matter, he had a life invested in this stuff and was essentially just carrying through what he'd spent years committed to. Baker, OTOH, is the most pathetic form of jock-sniffing dweeb I could imagine. You think it was Floyd's idea to break into LNDD? Doubt it. I'd say it's at least as likely as not that the little jock-sniffing dweeb cooked it up on his own and hoped to bring back the goods to present to Floyd in hopes he'd get an even closer sniff-whiff. The pathetic obsequiousness of those kind of wannabes and the lengths they'll go to touch the robes and sniff the jocks of their idols knows no bounds.

Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
First Doping, Now Hacking: The Floyd Landis War
By Bruce Crumley / Paris

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1964588,00.html

Pierre Bordry's lab was broken into. To find out who did it, the head of France's antidoping agency filed a legal suit in November 2006. He claimed that someone hacked into the computers of his main laboratory, which was analyzing urine samples taken from American cyclist Floyd Landis that year. Those samples had already tested positive for testosterone doping; as a result, Landis was stripped of his Tour de France crown. But the hackers accessing the lab's computers falsified files linked to Landis' case. The altered data were then circulated as evidence that the lab's work was so sloppy it shouldn't be trusted as proof against Landis. To no avail: he was eventually banned from the sport for two years. Now, a local magistrate has issued a warrant for Landis' arrest — should he set foot in France — in connection with the hacking investigation.

The reason? A search in late 2006 by French investigators of the lab's compromised computers found a "Trojan horse" program that allowed the hackers to access and download files. Further investigations by French justice officials determined that the program probably got into the lab's system via an e-mail sent from an IP address allegedly traced to Landis' coach Arnie Baker — a physician who defended Landis by questioning the credibility of Bordry's lab. Judge Thomas Cassuto wants to question both Landis and Baker about the hacking. "These two men were convoked a first time by the judge, but did not deign to respond," Bordry told TIME, explaining why Cassuto decided to issue an arrest warrant for Landis. Bordry says a similar arrest warrant had already been issued for Baker in November 2009. (See a brief history of the Tour de France.)

Landis, who has consistently and hotly denied the doping charges, believes that the hacking allegations are persecution by the French doping authorities in order to obfuscate their own shortcomings. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who [sic] is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself," Landis told the Los Angeles Times via e-mail. In the same message, Landis suggested Cassuto's warrant was unfounded. "No attempt has been made to formally contact me." (See how the Floyd Landis scandal broke.)

Bordry insists that Cassuto called both men in for questioning but received no reply. He also says the thrust of Landis' complaint is off-target. "This is a legal investigation about the illegal intrusion [into] a state-sanctioned organization, led by a judge who doesn't care about sports, doping or cycling," Bordry tells TIME. "It doesn't matter if the guilty party is French, American or Chinese — someone committed this crime, and the judge is following evidence leading him to whom it was."

Bordry denies the existence of a vendetta. He says it was American cycling officials and international authorities who decided to ban Landis and uphold the stripping of his 2006 Tour title for cheating. "That decision was made without any ambiguity long ago," Bordry says. "This is a legal inquiry into the violation of French law."

Landis is likely to point to history to counter Bordry's evocation of judicial objectivity. In 2005, seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong attacked the credibility of Bordry's labs after an article in the French sports daily l'Equipe said preserved samples of his 1998 and 1999 races had tested positive for doping. "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty," Armstrong said via his website — one of the many swipes at the lab he's taken over the years. Bordry proposed a second testing, but Armstrong dismissed the idea, claiming the samples had already been improperly handled. Bordry would have none of it. "Scientifically, there is no problem analyzing these samples — everything is correct," Bordry argued in 2005. "If [a retest] had been clean, it would have been very good for him. But he doesn't want to do it, and that's his problem." Landis would be wise to steer clear of France for awhile. His battle with Bordry and the French is no longer about doping in sports but about violating French law.

“Months ago I offered to be interviewed through the applicable U.S.-French Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and the French authorities have not done so,” Baker told VeloNews in an email Tuesday. “I want to make it clear once again: I never hacked into, and never helped or hired or asked anyone to hack into, the LNDD (French anti-doping) computer system.”

I wouldn’t go so far as to call you an idiot, but you seem to be less than well informed on the issue at hand.

There is a treaty with a process in place to facilitate Arnie or Floyd speaking with French officials. Here is the treaty. Give it a read:
http://untreaty.un.org/unts/144078_158780/16/2/7131.pdf

The good folks in Nanterre have seemed to ignore all aspects of the treaty and are engaged in a disreputable PR campaign against Arnie and Floyd. And yup, the treaty contains a protocol for having Arnie/Floyd deposed in California or paying their travel and other expenses to have them go to France. Why the PR BS? You guys, Bordry, and the legal geniuses in Nanterre have all gone off the deep end. Enjoy the asylum.




The treaty referenced abovet prevents Arnie or Floyd from being arrested/detained should they travel to France to be questioned.

Given Arnie and Floyd's long history of lies I choose to believe the Police.

Thanks for supporting my position, albeit apparently unintended.

1. The post you reference was focused entirely on Floyd, not Baker. (thanks for the quote and reference, though) Even floridacyclist has asked why I focused solely on Floyd in that post. Now, florida's criticism may be valid, but yours is not here. Any reference to what Baker may have said or done is irrelevant with respect to this post. Thus, I wouldn't go so far as to call you an idiot either, but you don't read very well.

2. It is ORG that is all over this gimme $50k nonsense, not me. If anyone has jumped into the deepend, it appears that he has done so with no water in the pool. Surprise, surprise, there are treaties and legal protocols - even with the French.

Thank you very much for observing this and pointing this out by the way. Sincerely.

3. Now, with respect to protection from arrest, does that treaty provision apply in the case of an arrest warrant? Maybe the treaty and French law differ, but isn't a summons one thing and an arrest warrant generally a different thing? And, I would actually be interested if you think the treaty provisions preclude carrying out the order under the arrest warrant should Floyd or Arnie actually travel to France.

Dave.

Try reading the treaty, it's not hard and only 16 pages .....

page 7 of the treaty:

A witness or expert who fails to comply with a document requiring an appearance
in the Requesting State, service of which has been effected pursuant to a request, shall not
be subjected to any sanction or measure of restraint, even if the document contains a notice
of penalty, unless the person subsequently travels voluntarily to the Requesting State, is
duly served, and again fails to comply.

Translation, unless Landis goes to France, he is protected from prosecution for the rest of his life by an international treaty. Nothing will happen to him. Further, if Arnie or Landis voluntarily go to France, the treaty says they cannot be arrested but will be allowed to submit for questioning with interference.

The Treaty also says the French can buy him a plane ticket and give him meal money. It says nothing about providing him counsel. He would have to pay for it himself. Are you suggesting he go in without counsel? This is a very specific case and only a few lawyers are qualified to properly represent him. And that Lawyer would need to research the case before walking into court. Such lawyers are not cheap.

Lastly, please write directly what you mean, you use too many metaphors and I don;t understand what you mean. What is all the "deep end of the pool stuff" It makes no sense.








The French and the LNDD have a long history of lies and violation of the law (leaking test results to the media). I don't trust what they say.

You appear to be confused. The warrant is issued by the French Police, not the LNDD.

When have the French Police lied about Floyd?

It would be stupid to use a such treaty allowing them to fly back free if Police want to arrest them.

Sorry, I cannot speak for anyone else's reading ability, but I couldn't get past Article 1. Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 2, section (a)

Article 1. Scope of Assistance
1.The Contracting States undertake to afford each other, in accordance with the provisions
of this Treaty, the widest measure of mutual assistance in investigations or proceedings
in respect of criminal offenses the punishment of which, at the time of the request for
assistance, is a matter for the judicial authorities of the Requesting State.
2.This Treaty does not apply to:
(a) the execution of requests for provisional arrest and extradition;

Dave.

Translation, Landis enjoys protection as long as he remains a witness, not a suspect or a charged defendant. If Landis is charged with a crime, he is no longer a "witness or expert" and no longer enjoys protection under the Treaty.

I have no idea why we are even debating this Treaty, especially with regard to Baker as it has no relevance to his situation. Baker has been accused of committing a crime, he is not being subpoenaed as a witness. If you read the Treaty starting at Page 1, you find about two paragraphs into the document:



Damn Dave, you beat me to it....

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He should have added his legal team and good old Arnie as they are responsible for far more damage to Floyd then those guys.

Okay, who here has the documentation to show what Baker and Landis are being charged with? (Cite please) The reports I’ve been able to access indicate the charges are related to a failure to appear for questioning.

Why did they fail to appear? They failed to appear because the treaty containing the appropriate protocol was ignored by French authorities. No proper notification was ever made. The French authorities made no offer or mention of compensation to bring Baker or Landis to France to be questioned. The French Authorities did not avail themselves of the option to have Baker or Landis deposed in California, largely on the U.S. taxpayers dime. Now that the French authorities have made a cluster f&%k of the pretense of wanting to “question” Baker and Landis, they have the unmitigated gaul (that’s right, gaul) to declare arrest warrants via the media. Perfect!

D-Queued might be relieved MacRoadie has attempted to metaphorically ride to his rescue, you knight in shining armor you. The argument that the treaty I referenced does not apply is wrong. It did apply and it does apply. D-Queued has wasted ~10 post in this thread on off topic insults and general drivel for lack of anything of substance to write about. Bored?

In any case, now that the discussion has made at least a baby step in the correct direction, I’ll leave you to your own devises.