Just an update on the mounting evidence that even small doses increase one's risk for cardiovascular disease. Also, looks like EPO can promote tumor formation in cancer patients.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/p...ight-kill-them/

Ironic comment from #9: when her father-in-law receives his EPO with his medical treatment, she tells him to "Live Strong!"

The good doctor was right: it is as harmless as drinking orange juice - as long as the juice is juiced.

Thans Jayhawk.

But, why do you love... Never mind. That is just too inflammatory for these boards apparently, even though it is a direct quote. And, I do not want to kill this thread already.

What was it that Spock said? Live Strong and Prosper?

Dave.

Why do I love who? (It's ok, ask -- we can keep it civil) All of my favorite old riders have been busted, and I assume my current faves aren't clean either. I enjoy pro cycling too much to abandon the sport, so I just take it with an enormous grain of salt and hope the future will be cleaner.

Besides, I think PEDs have infiltrated all the endurance & marquee sports, so no point in giving up on cycling to follow tennis or pro hockey.

I do kinda like watching curling and am looking forward to the Olympics. Don't think there's any need for PEDs in curling, but I may be wrong.

Oddly, though I know next to nothing about it and only ever see it when it gets squeezed between periods of Olympic hockey games, I have also been looking forward to trying to catch some curling.

Any sport at an Olympic level is impressive. We know curlers drink, but it is hard to imagine what benefit EPO would provide them. Faster sweeping? Thus, they are a curiousity.

Dave.

Ritalin for focus? I wonder if there's a demand for Ritalin in some sports.

(It's certainly helped my ADD son get through school & work)

My interest in curling would go way up if I knew there was little or no cheating. (I'm not a total sport grouch. I have tickets to several events in Vancouver. I shall go and marvel, especially at how powerful the Olympics could be if it really was all real.)

I think Dave has misquoted Spock ; it's live long and prosper. Bet Fignon's wishing he had been a trekkie. Oops, even that sounds wrong.

Naw, it was just another DQ pun. His posts are worth reading even for just the word play .

Fignon sounds like he's toughing it out. Wish his treatment were more successful.

In the 2002 Olympics, the USA women's curling team had some great characters. They looked like small town, upper mid-west gals who could crack open a beer with one hand and give you a good cut and a perm with the other. They had some knock down, drag out games -- real nailbiters. The 2006 team was blah in comparison. What events do you have tickets to, LF?

Yeah, I know, but I was just (unsuccesfully) trying to be clever too.



Tickets were hard to get, but we lucked out; some friends of friends had four tickets they couldn't use to men's dh, luge, and ski jumping, all on the first weekend. The following weekend, we have women's xc ski pursuit and possibly some snowboard half pipe.

Are you going?

Dave's verbal dazzle is hard to match. We keep trying though.

Will be watching the Olympics on TV only. But if there's a guy holding an anti-doping sign at the women's xc ski pursuit, I'll figure it's you, LF. Hope you have fun.

Now there's an idea. How about a little contest here for what it should say?

"Citius Altius Fortius Viscous"?

or maybe

"Becky was right"?

Since all forum talk eventually comes around to HWMNBN, how about this sign:

That would be like holding up a 'We Love You Beyonce' sign at a Brittany Spears concert wouldn't it?

Besides, white paint on snow, I dunno. Too subtle for me.

How about Citius Altius Fortified-ius?

About 7.5% of Major League Baseball players have TUEs for ADD drugs. I've seen it claimed that this rate is much higher than the general population, but those claims seem to ignore the fact that ADD is almost twice as prevalent in men as in women, so this number seems to be about in line with the male population average in the US.

I'd actually expect it to be much higher, because baseball has a very well documented history of amphetamine use. They started testing for it a few years ago (2003 or 2004), so I'm surprised there hasn't been a spike in players with ADD diagnoses.

I got it, and it was clever...

Living long, or not, tied back to the "Why do you love (you know what disease) " and tying in this newly described, but long believed and suspected, EPO effect.

Dave.