New Info About Landis Hacking Case, No Evidence Directly Linking Baker To The Hacker Options

[Old Runner Guy]

Well well well, apparently Bordry was caught in another lie requiring the New York Times to run a correction on Friday

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/sports/c...g/16landis.html

Correction: February 19, 2010

An article on Tuesday about the issuing of an arrest warrant in France for the United States cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a computer data hacking case from 2006 misstated the suspicions of investigators after a security breach at the French antidoping lab that tested Landis's urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France. Investigators found that an e-mail message sent to another lab in an apparent effort to discredit the Châtenay-Malabry antidoping lab — the message included nonpublic documents from Landis's Tour testing, the first indication that the French lab had been hacked — had originated from the same Internet Protocol address used by Arnie Baker, then Landis's coach; they did not conclude that a Trojan horse program used to download files remotely from the lab could have originated from an e-mail message sent from Baker's computer. (In fact, a French computer specialist, Alain Quiros, has confessed to the hacking.)

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So all that about emailing directly to Baker was made up. The French have nothing.

[MacRoadie]

Good job. You've proven that The Old Grey Lady can get it wrong once in awhile too. Fortunately, the rest of us knew there was no connection between Baker and the actual hacking months and months ago. The question was (and continues to be) what tertiary involvement the Landis team had (funding, dissemination after the fact, etc).

May 29, 2009:

Landis case twist: hacking lab computer

Detectives in a special information technology crime division, according to French media, tracked the LNDD incident to Kargas Consultants. In the process of the investigation, they also discovered that Kargas was behind hacking into the computer of an executive from Greenpeace, allegedly on behalf of a French nuclear energy company.

The man accused of gaining unauthorized access to the French lab's computer, Alain Quiros, reportedly said he was paid 2,000 Euros (about $2,800) by Kargas, but it remains unclear whether there is direct evidence that Baker or anyone else in the Landis camp commissioned the job. Le Monde wrote that detectives linked Baker through an IP (Internet Protocol) address.

Hence, the request for Landis and Baker to answer questions. That any moron would believe the Trojan Horse story, or accept that Bordry speaks for the French police or judiciary is truly telling.

One can only hope, for Floyd's sake, that the more intelligent individuals in Landis' camp aren't placing as much stock in Bordry's ramblings as you are.

This post has been edited by MacRoadie: Feb 23 2010, 12:28 AM

[D-Queued]

Good job. You've proven that The Old Grey Lady can get it wrong once in awhile too. Fortunately, the rest of us knew there was no connection between Baker and the actual hacking months and months ago. The question was (and continues to be) what tertiary involvement the Landis team had (funding, dissemination after the fact, etc).

May 29, 2009:

Landis case twist: hacking lab computer
Hence, the request for Landis and Baker to answer questions. That any moron would believe the Trojan Horse story, or accept that Bordry speaks for the French police or judiciary is truly telling.

Exactly!

Earth to Rip van ORG, this is already the subject of a thread here on DPF and the news broke more than a month earlier than MacRoadie's reference - which is almost a full year ago. It is part of a high profile hacking case in France that involves Greenpeace and Electricite de France. The Landis/Baker connection was actually the incident that broke the case.

Espionnage: après EDF, des affaires Vivendi et Landis?
17 Avril 2009 Par Fabrice Arfi Fabrice Lhomme L'affaire de piratage informatique n'éclaboussera pas qu'EDF. Outre Greenpeace, l'officine Kargus Consultants et l'informaticien Alian Quiros ont aussi espionné l'ancien avocat des petits porteurs, Me Frédérik-Karel Canoy, et le Laboratoire national de dépistage du dopage (LNDD). Or, d'après le dossier judiciaire, dont Mediapart a pu prendre connaissance, les enquêteurs disposent de pistes sérieuses. La première conduit à l'affaire Vivendi; la seconde mène à Floyd Landis, en guerre avec les acteurs français de la lutte antidopage depuis qu'il a été déchu de son titre de vainqueur du Tour de France 2006

Careful, though MacRoadie, ORG already believes that Bordry is the official spokesperson for the Government of France. Speaking for the French police and judiciary is likely something ORG believes Bordry can manage in his spare time.

Dave.

This post has been edited by D-Queued: Feb 23 2010, 12:38 AM

[Old Runner Guy]

Bordry is acting like an official spokesman and getting everything wrong. In the process if further sullies Landis' name.

Why?

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 23 2010, 12:50 AM

[patrick]

Good job. You've proven that The Old Grey Lady can get it wrong once in awhile too. Fortunately, the rest of us knew there was no connection between Baker and the actual hacking months and months ago. The question was (and continues to be) what tertiary involvement the Landis team had (funding, dissemination after the fact, etc).

May 29, 2009:

Landis case twist: hacking lab computer
Hence, the request for Landis and Baker to answer questions. That any moron would believe the Trojan Horse story, or accept that Bordry speaks for the French police or judiciary is truly telling.
One can only hope, for Floyd's sake, that the more intelligent individuals in Landis' camp aren't placing as much stock in Bordry's ramblings as you are.

tell that to some of the good folks at cycling news forums, although i'm not sure if it's ignorance or inability to open be minded about it all.

This post has been edited by patrick: Feb 23 2010, 01:04 AM

[Old Runner Guy]

Who lied to Time Magazine? Sure sounds like the self-appointed French justice spokesman Bordry.



Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
First Doping, Now Hacking: The Floyd Landis War
By Bruce Crumley / Paris

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1964588,00.html

Pierre Bordry's lab was broken into. To find out who did it, the head of France's antidoping agency filed a legal suit in November 2006. He claimed that someone hacked into the computers of his main laboratory, which was analyzing urine samples taken from American cyclist Floyd Landis that year. Those samples had already tested positive for testosterone doping; as a result, Landis was stripped of his Tour de France crown. But the hackers accessing the lab's computers falsified files linked to Landis' case. The altered data were then circulated as evidence that the lab's work was so sloppy it shouldn't be trusted as proof against Landis. To no avail: he was eventually banned from the sport for two years. Now, a local magistrate has issued a warrant for Landis' arrest — should he set foot in France — in connection with the hacking investigation.

The reason? A search in late 2006 by French investigators of the lab's compromised computers found a "Trojan horse" program that allowed the hackers to access and download files. Further investigations by French justice officials determined that the program probably got into the lab's system via an e-mail sent from an IP address allegedly traced to Landis' coach Arnie Baker — a physician who defended Landis by questioning the credibility of Bordry's lab. Judge Thomas Cassuto wants to question both Landis and Baker about the hacking. "These two men were convoked a first time by the judge, but did not deign to respond," Bordry told TIME, explaining why Cassuto decided to issue an arrest warrant for Landis. Bordry says a similar arrest warrant had already been issued for Baker in November 2009. (See a brief history of the Tour de France.)

Bordry insists that Cassuto called both men in for questioning but received no reply. He also says the thrust of Landis' complaint is off-target. "This is a legal investigation about the illegal intrusion [into] a state-sanctioned organization, led by a judge who doesn't care about sports, doping or cycling," Bordry tells TIME. "It doesn't matter if the guilty party is French, American or Chinese — someone committed this crime, and the judge is following evidence leading him to whom it was."

Bordry denies the existence of a vendetta. He says it was American cycling officials and international authorities who decided to ban Landis and uphold the stripping of his 2006 Tour title for cheating. "That decision was made without any ambiguity long ago," Bordry says. "This is a legal inquiry into the violation of French law."

Landis is likely to point to history to counter Bordry's evocation of judicial objectivity. In 2005, seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong attacked the credibility of Bordry's labs after an article in the French sports daily l'Equipe said preserved samples of his 1998 and 1999 races had tested positive for doping. "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty," Armstrong said via his website — one of the many swipes at the lab he's taken over the years. Bordry proposed a second testing, but Armstrong dismissed the idea, claiming the samples had already been improperly handled. Bordry would have none of it. "Scientifically, there is no problem analyzing these samples — everything is correct," Bordry argued in 2005. "If [a retest] had been clean, it would have been very good for him. But he doesn't want to do it, and that's his problem." Landis would be wise to steer clear of France for awhile. His battle with Bordry and the French is no longer about doping in sports but about violating French law.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 23 2010, 01:49 AM

[Surftel]

Well well well, apparently Bordry was caught in another lie requiring the New York Times to run a correction on Friday

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/sports/c...g/16landis.html

Correction: February 19, 2010

An article on Tuesday about the issuing of an arrest warrant in France for the United States cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a computer data hacking case from 2006 misstated the suspicions of investigators after a security breach at the French antidoping lab that tested Landis's urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France. Investigators found that an e-mail message sent to another lab in an apparent effort to discredit the Châtenay-Malabry antidoping lab — the message included nonpublic documents from Landis's Tour testing, the first indication that the French lab had been hacked — had originated from the same Internet Protocol address used by Arnie Baker, then Landis's coach; they did not conclude that a Trojan horse program used to download files remotely from the lab could have originated from an e-mail message sent from Baker's computer. (In fact, a French computer specialist, Alain Quiros, has confessed to the hacking.)

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So all that about emailing directly to Baker was made up. The French have nothing.

So you are saying that Arnie emailing out the hacked documents using an LNDD employee's is not evidence?

What is known about who paid Quiros employer has not been made public yet. All that is know is that they were English speakers. This hardly clears Arnie or Floyd.

[patrick]

So you are saying that Arnie emailing out the hacked documents using an LNDD employee's is not evidence?

What is known about who paid Quiros employer has not been made public yet. All that is know is that they were English speakers. This hardly clears Arnie or Floyd.

it doesn't exclude you either. mmmmm..........

[Old Runner Guy]

So you are saying that Arnie emailing out the hacked documents using an LNDD employee's is not evidence?

What is known about who paid Quiros employer has not been made public yet. All that is know is that they were English speakers. This hardly clears Arnie or Floyd.

Then go to San Diego and question them or start extradition proceedings to get them to France.

Since neither has happened it seems like the French are not interested in what AB and FL have to say. Instead Bordry makes stuff up to tell reporters.

it doesn't exclude you either. mmmmm..........

I was just going to say that Surf's rationale means Vaun should also have an "international arrest warrant" from the French too to get our real names to question us. Those documents were available on this site and I took them from this site and emailed them to a friend. I speak English, I contributed to the FFF, maybe I financed it!

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 23 2010, 01:47 AM

[D-Queued]

Then go to San Diego and question them or start extradition proceedings to get them to France.

Since neither has happened it seems like the French are not interested in what AB and FL have to say. Instead Bordry makes stuff up to tell reporters.

More tin foil hats for everyone!

Look, if you want a real conspiracy to theorize about, start here: When the Feds Poisoned Citizens. Given that doping is part of that case, it has more pertinent subject matter than this thread.

Dave.

[Old Runner Guy]

Who lied to Time Magazine? Sure sounds like the self-appointed French justice spokesman Bordry.



Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
First Doping, Now Hacking: The Floyd Landis War
By Bruce Crumley / Paris

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1964588,00.html

Pierre Bordry's lab was broken into. To find out who did it, the head of France's antidoping agency filed a legal suit in November 2006. He claimed that someone hacked into the computers of his main laboratory, which was analyzing urine samples taken from American cyclist Floyd Landis that year. Those samples had already tested positive for testosterone doping; as a result, Landis was stripped of his Tour de France crown. But the hackers accessing the lab's computers falsified files linked to Landis' case. The altered data were then circulated as evidence that the lab's work was so sloppy it shouldn't be trusted as proof against Landis. To no avail: he was eventually banned from the sport for two years. Now, a local magistrate has issued a warrant for Landis' arrest — should he set foot in France — in connection with the hacking investigation.

The reason? A search in late 2006 by French investigators of the lab's compromised computers found a "Trojan horse" program that allowed the hackers to access and download files. Further investigations by French justice officials determined that the program probably got into the lab's system via an e-mail sent from an IP address allegedly traced to Landis' coach Arnie Baker — a physician who defended Landis by questioning the credibility of Bordry's lab. Judge Thomas Cassuto wants to question both Landis and Baker about the hacking. "These two men were convoked a first time by the judge, but did not deign to respond," Bordry told TIME, explaining why Cassuto decided to issue an arrest warrant for Landis. Bordry says a similar arrest warrant had already been issued for Baker in November 2009. (See a brief history of the Tour de France.)

Bordry insists that Cassuto called both men in for questioning but received no reply. He also says the thrust of Landis' complaint is off-target. "This is a legal investigation about the illegal intrusion [into] a state-sanctioned organization, led by a judge who doesn't care about sports, doping or cycling," Bordry tells TIME. "It doesn't matter if the guilty party is French, American or Chinese — someone committed this crime, and the judge is following evidence leading him to whom it was."

Bordry denies the existence of a vendetta. He says it was American cycling officials and international authorities who decided to ban Landis and uphold the stripping of his 2006 Tour title for cheating. "That decision was made without any ambiguity long ago," Bordry says. "This is a legal inquiry into the violation of French law."

Landis is likely to point to history to counter Bordry's evocation of judicial objectivity. In 2005, seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong attacked the credibility of Bordry's labs after an article in the French sports daily l'Equipe said preserved samples of his 1998 and 1999 races had tested positive for doping. "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty," Armstrong said via his website — one of the many swipes at the lab he's taken over the years. Bordry proposed a second testing, but Armstrong dismissed the idea, claiming the samples had already been improperly handled. Bordry would have none of it. "Scientifically, there is no problem analyzing these samples — everything is correct," Bordry argued in 2005. "If [a retest] had been clean, it would have been very good for him. But he doesn't want to do it, and that's his problem." Landis would be wise to steer clear of France for awhile. His battle with Bordry and the French is no longer about doping in sports but about violating French law.

[Surftel]

Then go to San Diego and question them or start extradition proceedings to get them to France.

Since neither has happened it seems like the French are not interested in what AB and FL have to say. Instead Bordry makes stuff up to tell reporters.
I was just going to say that Surf's rationale means Vaun should also have an "international arrest warrant" from the French too to get our real names to question us. Those documents were available on this site and I took them from this site and emailed them to a friend. I speak English, I contributed to the FFF, maybe I financed it!

I am sure even you realize how ridiculous this post is.

[MacRoadie]

I was just going to say that Surf's rationale means Vaun should also have an "international arrest warrant" from the French too to get our real names to question us. Those documents were available on this site and I took them from this site and emailed them to a friend.

Have them PM me and I'll be happy to give them all my contact information, not warrant necessary.

I contributed to the FFF

Well, of course you did.

[Old Runner Guy]

I am sure even you realize how ridiculous this post is.

no more than your absurd claims above

[Surftel]

no more than your absurd claims above

What absurd claims?

Arnie emailed the hacked documents long before they were in the public domain. He did so using a LNDD employee's email account. Comparing this to posting on an internet message board months after the fact is absurd.....but consider what else you have posted here not surprising.

[Old Runner Guy]

What absurd claims?

Arnie emailed the hacked documents long before they were in the public domain. He did so using a LNDD employee's email account. Comparing this to posting on an internet message board months after the fact is absurd.....but consider what else you have posted here not surprising.

How do you, or anyone else, know the moment they became public? Only Quitos know that. The French can ask him, not AB or FL.

When Arnie got them, they were in the public domain. Just because he was a few hours ahead of TBV or this site does not make it a crime.

You're are bad as Bordry, making stuff up.

[Surftel]

How do you, or anyone else, know the moment they became public? Only Quitos know that. The French can ask him, not AB or FL.

When Arnie got them, they were in the public domain. Just because he was a few hours ahead of TBV or this site does not make it a crime.

You're are bad as Bordry, making stuff up.

The first time the hacked documents entered the public domain was when Arnie sent several e-mails, disguised as coming from the email account of Norman Crépin of the LNDD, to sports institutions UCI, IOC, WADA amongst other recipients.

If you have evidence that shows something different then please present it. It has been accurately reported that it was Arnie's emails using Norman Crepin's Email account that initiated the hacking case.

[Old Runner Guy]

The first time the hacked documents entered the public domain was when Arnie sent several e-mails, disguised as coming from the email account of Norman Crépin of the LNDD, to sports institutions UCI, IOC, WADA amongst other recipients.

If you have evidence that shows something different then please present it. It has been accurately reported that it was Arnie's emails using Norman Crepin's Email account that initiated the hacking case.

So why don't the French go to San Diego and question him or Extredite him?

Why didn't Cassuto respond to AB's email to him last May?

You seem to think the French have a good case against AB. Problem is The French do not seem that interested in pursuing it. Maybe because their is no case.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 23 2010, 03:04 AM

[Surftel]

So why don't the French go to San Diego and question him or Extredite him?

Why didn't Cassuto respond to AB's email to him last May?

You seem to think the French have a good case against AB. Problem is The French do not seem that interested in pursuing it. Maybe because their is no case.

You seem to not understand what a summons is. When the police deliver a summons to your door you do not say "Tell the judge to come talk to me"

Why doesn't Arnie go to France? What does he have to hide?

[Old Runner Guy]

You seem to not understand what a summons is. When the police deliver a summons to your door you do not say "Tell the judge to come talk to me"

Why doesn't Arnie go to France? What does he have to hide?

Have you not been paying attention? No such summons was delivered. That the main point of my posts over and over. (source here is not only Baker by the French court confirmed this as well by calling it a "national warrant.")

What he has to hide is many thousands of dollars in his bank account that a trip to France with a national arrest warrant would cause him to lose. Maybe if you write him a check for his legal and transportation fees for such an undertaking, he might consider it. 30k to 50k is what it will probably cost.

Again, Arnie has offered to talk under the Treaty and said so last November. Why are the French so uninterested in following their own rules (the Treaty they signed with the US)?

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 23 2010, 03:26 AM