More Landis news, And he digs himself in even deeper... Options

[wildeone]

The orginial source for all the news stories was a Reuters interview with Bordry, who called it an "international" arrest warrant.

A French judiciary spokesperson later said that was incorrect and that it is only national.

That is why there is some confusion, and why the CN story was changed.

always the voice of reason! thank you for clarifying, Susan.

[Tick]

always the voice of reason! thank you for clarifying, Susan.

Thanks.

Now if only my 16-year-old son would agree with you.....

Susan

[Old Runner Guy]

If you can assure me that Landis will go to Paris, and that my $50 is truly required, then no problem.

I am sure I could provide it to Vaughn, who could forward it anon.

Dave.

You're a wimp, write him a check for $50,000 and tell him its for him to go to Paris and properly answer the warrant. What's with the anon stuff?

Better send the money to me and I will act as your intermediary.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 12:51 PM

[Old Runner Guy]

The orginial source for all the news stories was a Reuters interview with Bordry, who called it an "international" arrest warrant.

A French judiciary spokesperson later said that was incorrect and that it is only national.

That is why there is some confusion, and why the CN story was changed.

Susan

Baker has had a warrant since November and no one heard of it. Landis had one since January 28 and no one heard of it until last weekend.

It became news because Bordry incorrectly characterized it as a international warrant. Further Bordry's characterization left one with the impression that Landis was being charged as part of the hacker crowd. This is also inaccurate. They only want to question him about it, huge difference. Like I said before, it's equivalent of a contempt of court that anyone would get for not showing up to answer questions from a local DA. Happens all the time and is no big deal.

Why did Bordry say all this? I think he lied. Why did he lie? Because Landis is looking to hook up with an international team. So, Bordry is taking it upon himself to negatively influence Landis' ability to earn a living.

Landis served his time. He's no different than Virenque, Basso or Millar. Yet the authorities want to further punish him because he dared to try and mount a defense.

That's what this is about, extracting revenge with government money, to send a message to anyone else that fails a "A-sample" test ... just shut up, immediately go in a hole and die.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 01:05 PM

[Cowboy]

Served his time?! For doping maybe but if he is involved in an attempt to illegally access computer systems then that is something altogether different and one, which if true, he will have to serve some other sort of time for.

[Whareagle]

http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2010/02/floy...lena.html#links

and

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/new...-hacking_105351

[Old Runner Guy]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/new...-hacking_105351

Landis adviser says he’s offered to talk, denies hacking[/url]</h1>Arnie Baker, the former Floyd Landis advisor who was named in a French arrest warrant along with Landis yesterday, said he has has offered to talk to French authorities but they have not taken him up on the offer. Baker denies any involvement in hacking into the French anti-doping agency’s computer system, the alleged act French authorities said they want to talk to him about.

“Months ago I offered to be interviewed through the applicable U.S.-French Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and the French authorities have not done so,” Baker told VeloNews in an email Tuesday. “I want to make it clear once again: I never hacked into, and never helped or hired or asked anyone to hack into, the LNDD (French anti-doping) computer system.”


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So it's the French authorities that are too cheap to send someone to San Diego to talk to Baker ... Hummmm

Nothing in this case has ever been like the French claim it is.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 02:09 PM

[fab]

It became news because Bordry incorrectly characterized it as a international warrant. Further Bordry's characterization left one with the impression that Landis was being charged as part of the hacker crowd. This is also inaccurate. They only want to question him about it, huge difference. Like I said before, it's equivalent of a contempt of court that anyone would get for not showing up to answer questions from a local DA. Happens all the time and is no big deal.

Why did Bordry say all this? I think he lied. Why did he lie? Because Landis is looking to hook up with an international team. So, Bordry is taking it upon himself to negatively influence Landis' ability to earn a living.
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That's what this is about, extracting revenge with government money, to send a message to anyone else that fails a "A-sample" test ... just shut up, immediately go in a hole and die.

The Landis warrant is OFFICIALY for "computer hacking, linked directly or not".

For someon who knows few about french justice, you should be carefull in your assumption.

Bordry, as responsable of LNDD, has the duty to protect his office even of hackers.
You are confusing doping and hacking. One can be just a sport issue for an athlete, the second is a breach of civil laws.

[Cowboy]

You are confusing doping and hacking. One can be just a sport issue for an athlete, the second is a breach of civil laws.

Word. You can bet if it was the other way round, if a Frenchman was accussed of financing a hacking into Federal computers the guy wouldn't just say he offered to talk to them about it on his home soil and expect that to be the end of the matter.

[D-Queued]

You're a wimp, write him a check for $50,000 and tell him its for him to go to Paris and properly answer the warrant. What's with the anon stuff?

Better send the money to me and I will act as your intermediary.

Sure thing.

But, I will need your help first. My uncle used to work for a Nigerian Bank and I will give you $50,000 if you can help me get the money that he took. Just post your bank account information (institution, transit number, address, etc.) on here and I will make sure to solve this for you. Oh, I may need your birthdate and home address as well. Don't worry, though, we can trust everyone on this forum.

Of his millions of supporters, there aren't 1,000 that can help out here with the equivalent of a small race entry fee?

Landis has no friends? Please say it ain't so.

Dave.

[wildeone]

Of his millions of supporters, there aren't 1,000 that can help out here with the equivalent of a small race entry fee?

Landis has no friends? Please say it ain't so.

meow!

[Old Runner Guy]

Word. You can bet if it was the other way round, if a Frenchman was accussed of financing a hacking into Federal computers the guy wouldn't just say he offered to talk to them about it on his home soil and expect that to be the end of the matter.

If the French were so concerned about FL financing a hacking ring into their Government computers, they can pay $660 dollars to fly to San Diego to interview him and Baker. So, why don't they?

[Old Runner Guy]

The Landis warrant is OFFICIALY for "computer hacking, linked directly or not".

For someon who knows few about french justice, you should be carefull in your assumption.

Bordry, as responsable of LNDD, has the duty to protect his office even of hackers.
You are confusing doping and hacking. One can be just a sport issue for an athlete, the second is a breach of civil laws.

Apparently you have a copy of the warrant, could you please post a copy of it?

Otherwise, what third hand source did you use to make these statements. In a post above I clearly laid out if was to talk to him (and bolded the important words), and the warrant is for failing to appear. It is NOT for being part of the hacking ring.

At this point Bordry has made more inaccurate statements than I have.

You have plenty to beat up Floyd about, but the fact you have to invent warrants that do not exist (for hacking instead of questions) reflects your bias.

[D-Queued]

Apparently you have a copy of the warrant, could you please post a copy of it?

Otherwise, what third hand source did you use to make these statements. In a post above I clearly laid out if was to talk to him (and bolded the important words), and the warrant is for failing to appear. It is NOT for being part of the hacking ring.

At this point Bordry has made more inaccurate statements than I have.

You have plenty to beat up Floyd about, but the fact you have to invent warrants that do not exist (for hacking instead of questions) reflects your bias.

Hair splitting!

There is a warrant out for his arrest.

Everyone on this forum, and many in the cycling community were well aware of the request to appear. Floyd's defense is again full of holes.

There is a warrant. Floyd is again using denial as defense.

Enough said.

Dave.

[Old Runner Guy]

Hair splitting!

There is a warrant out for his arrest.
Everyone on this forum, and many in the cycling community were well aware of the request to appear. Floyd's defense is again full of holes.
There is a warrant. Floyd is again using denial as defense.
Enough said.

Dave.

Again, If the French were really interested in what Landis knew, they can fly to San Diego. Instead they are more interested in sensational headlines, complete with Bordry lying and calling it an "International Warrant For His Arrest."

Floyd should not respond. He should not waste his money over this.

You're an idiot in telling him to go to them. You should either 1) send him $50k to go to Paris, 2) demand the French go to San Diego.

Your argument that everyone should run to the ends of the earth over any demand from a court is silly.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 08:13 PM

[floridacyclist]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/new...-hacking_105351

Landis adviser says he’s offered to talk, denies hacking[/url]</h1>Arnie Baker, the former Floyd Landis advisor who was named in a French arrest warrant along with Landis yesterday, said he has has offered to talk to French authorities but they have not taken him up on the offer. Baker denies any involvement in hacking into the French anti-doping agency’s computer system, the alleged act French authorities said they want to talk to him about.

“Months ago I offered to be interviewed through the applicable U.S.-French Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and the French authorities have not done so,” Baker told VeloNews in an email Tuesday. “I want to make it clear once again: I never hacked into, and never helped or hired or asked anyone to hack into, the LNDD (French anti-doping) computer system.”
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So it's the French authorities that are too cheap to send someone to San Diego to talk to Baker ... Hummmm

So you just swallow whole anything that comes out of Arnie Baker's mouth? I'd do the exact opposite -- assume any comment he makes at this point is deliberately self-serving and not to be trusted in the absence of documentary proof.

Seriously, this is a guy who is making the claim that the hacking that traced back to his physical IP address has absolutely nothing to do with him. You believe that nonsense, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

[D-Queued]

Again, If the French were really interested in what Landis knew, they can fly to San Diego. Instead they are more interested in sensational headlines, complete with Bordry lying and calling it an "International Warrant For His Arrest."

Floyd should not respond. He should not waste his money over this.

You're an idiot in telling him to go to them. You should either 1) send him $50k to go to Paris, 2) demand the French go to San Diego.

Your argument that everyone should run to the ends of the earth over any demand from a court is silly.

First, I am not an idiot, but go ahead and sling more mud. Somebody out there may actually feel you are adding to the credibility of your argument. How is it idiotic to defen oneself if you are innocent? Of course, it would be entirely idiotic to continue this path of denial and denigration.

France is the end of the earth? How 'Yankee-go-home' American of you. The Tour de France remains the center of the cycling universe. Have a little ketchup with your Freedom Fries.

Floyd has long proven that he is a fool with money. I don't need to throw my good money after his foolishness. Why should I, or anyone else, support Floyd's defense now? What is your preoccupation that I should cough up $50k for Floyd?

What has he done to earn that kind of support? From me or anyone else?

What is the return on that investment? After all, those weren't my blood bags in the refrigerated panniers. Perhaps someone else can front him some more blood money.

Floyd remains an unrepetent cheater. He has damaged the integrity of the sport, and has cost me and many others indirectly as a result - minimally through guilt by association. Having raised money for cycling causes, Floyd has alread stolen money from my pocket by diminishing the value of that investment.

The only thing he appears to be good at is continuing to generate negative headlines for cycling.

He does not deserve my respect.

Do the crime, do the time.

Dave.

[Kiwi]

If the French were so concerned about FL financing a hacking ring into their Government computers, they can pay $660 dollars to fly to San Diego to interview him and Baker. So, why don't they?

Isn't it an 'arrest' warrant?

They don't want to interview FL and AB, they want to arrest them and charge them with hacking.

[floridacyclist]

First, I am not an idiot, but go ahead and sling more mud. Somebody out there may actually feel you are adding to the credibility of your argument. How is it idiotic to defen oneself if you are innocent? Of course, it would be entirely idiotic to continue this path of denial and denigration.

France is the end of the earth? How 'Yankee-go-home' American of you. The Tour de France remains the center of the cycling universe. Have a little ketchup with your Freedom Fries.

Floyd has long proven that he is a fool with money. I don't need to throw my good money after his foolishness. Why should I, or anyone else, support Floyd's defense now? What is your preoccupation that I should cough up $50k for Floyd?

What has he done to earn that kind of support? From me or anyone else?

What is the return on that investment? After all, those weren't my blood bags in the refrigerated panniers. Perhaps someone else can front him some more blood money.

Floyd remains an unrepetent cheater. He has damaged the integrity of the sport, and has cost me and many others indirectly as a result - minimally through guilt by association. Having raised money for cycling causes, Floyd has alread stolen money from my pocket by diminishing the value of that investment.

The only thing he appears to be good at is continuing to generate negative headlines for cycling.

He does not deserve my respect.

Do the crime, do the time.

Dave.

Should you not be directing more of the venom at Baker on this matter? I certainly wouldn't defend anything Floyd's done, but as a practical matter, he had a life invested in this stuff and was essentially just carrying through what he'd spent years committed to. Baker, OTOH, is the most pathetic form of jock-sniffing dweeb I could imagine. You think it was Floyd's idea to break into LNDD? Doubt it. I'd say it's at least as likely as not that the little jock-sniffing dweeb cooked it up on his own and hoped to bring back the goods to present to Floyd in hopes he'd get an even closer sniff-whiff. The pathetic obsequiousness of those kind of wannabes and the lengths they'll go to touch the robes and sniff the jocks of their idols knows no bounds.

[Old Runner Guy]

Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
First Doping, Now Hacking: The Floyd Landis War
By Bruce Crumley / Paris

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1964588,00.html

Pierre Bordry's lab was broken into. To find out who did it, the head of France's antidoping agency filed a legal suit in November 2006. He claimed that someone hacked into the computers of his main laboratory, which was analyzing urine samples taken from American cyclist Floyd Landis that year. Those samples had already tested positive for testosterone doping; as a result, Landis was stripped of his Tour de France crown. But the hackers accessing the lab's computers falsified files linked to Landis' case. The altered data were then circulated as evidence that the lab's work was so sloppy it shouldn't be trusted as proof against Landis. To no avail: he was eventually banned from the sport for two years. Now, a local magistrate has issued a warrant for Landis' arrest — should he set foot in France — in connection with the hacking investigation.

The reason? A search in late 2006 by French investigators of the lab's compromised computers found a "Trojan horse" program that allowed the hackers to access and download files. Further investigations by French justice officials determined that the program probably got into the lab's system via an e-mail sent from an IP address allegedly traced to Landis' coach Arnie Baker — a physician who defended Landis by questioning the credibility of Bordry's lab. Judge Thomas Cassuto wants to question both Landis and Baker about the hacking. "These two men were convoked a first time by the judge, but did not deign to respond," Bordry told TIME, explaining why Cassuto decided to issue an arrest warrant for Landis. Bordry says a similar arrest warrant had already been issued for Baker in November 2009. (See a brief history of the Tour de France.)

Landis, who has consistently and hotly denied the doping charges, believes that the hacking allegations are persecution by the French doping authorities in order to obfuscate their own shortcomings. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who [sic] is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself," Landis told the Los Angeles Times via e-mail. In the same message, Landis suggested Cassuto's warrant was unfounded. "No attempt has been made to formally contact me." (See how the Floyd Landis scandal broke.)

Bordry insists that Cassuto called both men in for questioning but received no reply. He also says the thrust of Landis' complaint is off-target. "This is a legal investigation about the illegal intrusion [into] a state-sanctioned organization, led by a judge who doesn't care about sports, doping or cycling," Bordry tells TIME. "It doesn't matter if the guilty party is French, American or Chinese — someone committed this crime, and the judge is following evidence leading him to whom it was."

Bordry denies the existence of a vendetta. He says it was American cycling officials and international authorities who decided to ban Landis and uphold the stripping of his 2006 Tour title for cheating. "That decision was made without any ambiguity long ago," Bordry says. "This is a legal inquiry into the violation of French law."

Landis is likely to point to history to counter Bordry's evocation of judicial objectivity. In 2005, seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong attacked the credibility of Bordry's labs after an article in the French sports daily l'Equipe said preserved samples of his 1998 and 1999 races had tested positive for doping. "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty," Armstrong said via his website — one of the many swipes at the lab he's taken over the years. Bordry proposed a second testing, but Armstrong dismissed the idea, claiming the samples had already been improperly handled. Bordry would have none of it. "Scientifically, there is no problem analyzing these samples — everything is correct," Bordry argued in 2005. "If [a retest] had been clean, it would have been very good for him. But he doesn't want to do it, and that's his problem." Landis would be wise to steer clear of France for awhile. His battle with Bordry and the French is no longer about doping in sports but about violating French law.