More Landis news, And he digs himself in even deeper... Options

[Mark]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4915919

[Jayhawk]

Having grown up near Mennonites, for whom right living and moral choices are paramount, I feel sorry for Landis' parents. What a nightmare his life has turned out to be.

[Cowboy]

Having grown up near Mennonites, for whom right living and moral choices are paramount, I feel sorry for Landis' parents. What a nightmare his life has turned out to be.

Wasn't it alleged to be some ex-intelligence bloke who did the hacking on Landis' behalf? I'm guessing Floyd was off having whisky and beer to keep his T levels up and not actually pressing the computer keyboard himself!?

[D-Queued]

Wasn't it alleged to be some ex-intelligence bloke who did the hacking on Landis' behalf? I'm guessing Floyd was off having whisky and beer to keep his T levels up and not actually pressing the computer keyboard himself!?

Allegedly solicited and paid for by Arnie Baker...

Cassuto also issued a national warrant for Arnie Baker, a retired doctor and longtime Landis coach and adviser, the prosecutor's office said.

Oh yeah, might as well add this from his highness, the ultimate authority:

Lance Armstrong is prepared to "forgive and forget" and welcome Floyd Landis back to cycling when his former teammate ends a two-year doping ban in the Tour of California in February.

...

Landis said in an Associated Press interview Thursday that his return would be "good for cycling" and Armstrong, who will also ride in the Tour of California, agreed.

There you have it. Landis is good for cycling, and god for cycling agreed.


Dave.

This post has been edited by D-Queued: Feb 15 2010, 09:00 PM

[Jayhawk]

Wasn't it alleged to be some ex-intelligence bloke who did the hacking on Landis' behalf? I'm guessing Floyd was off having whisky and beer to keep his T levels up and not actually pressing the computer keyboard himself!?

Floyd chose his companions, consorts, & defense team. Either he's a terrible judge of people, which reflects badly on him, or his judgment is accurate, which is an even worse reflection on him for associating with people who cross the ethical line.

In a way, I wish it were Landis who did the actual hacking. At least it would show he has a chance of making a living outside the cycling world*. What hope does he have for any kind of decent life now?


*computer smarts, that is.

This post has been edited by Jayhawk: Feb 15 2010, 10:23 PM

[D-Queued]

...What hope does he have for any kind of decent life now?

Hey, there's always cycling.

Dave.

[Burkni]

Floyd chose his companions, consorts, & defense team. Either he's a terrible judge of people, which reflects badly on him, or his judgment is accurate, which is an even worse reflection on him for associating with people who cross the ethical line.

In a way, I wish it were Landis who did the actual hacking. At least it would show he has a chance of making a living outside the cycling world*. What hope does he have for any kind of decent life now?
*computer smarts, that is.

I think hackers generally get locked up and barred from computer access (the ones who are sloppy enough to get caught) so no dice there I'm afraid.

[The Rake]

I think hackers generally get locked up and barred from computer access (the ones who are sloppy enough to get caught) so no dice there I'm afraid.

And hopefully the US authorities will send Landis to France to face the heat, after all the effort they put into extraditing asperger's sufferer Gary McKinnon from the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/he...radition-appeal

[D-Queued]

And hopefully the US authorities will send Landis to France to face the heat, after all the effort they put into extraditing asperger's sufferer Gary McKinnon from the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/he...radition-appeal

Never thought I would say this, but under the circumstances, I would really like Floyd to defend his cycling record at the Tour this year.

Of course, what kind of message is it if they throw a party for you and you don't show up?

All of his mouthpieces will surely be flooding the FFF with donations now so that Floyd can clear himself once and for all.

Dave.

This post has been edited by D-Queued: Feb 16 2010, 02:40 PM

[Ali]

Somehow, Arnie "the man they couldn't hang" Baker has managed to elude the long arm of the French law enforcement agencies, since his warrant was issued last year. Maybe Inspector Clouseau lost his flight ticket whilst tripping over a suspicious package at CDG airport and, hilariously, pulling down an attractive young woman's dress as he grasped desperately to break his fall (the woman, of course, being the girlfriend of an insanely jealous leader of a French garlic smuggling gang).

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it, if I were Floyd. So he can't race in France ... big deal. Been there, bought the t-shirt.

[Cowboy]

Let me fix that for you

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it, if I were Floyd. So he can't race in France ... big deal. Been there, got caught.

[sweatpea]

Let me fix that for you

Thanks Cowboy. Welcome back to the board.

[Ali]

I think the point I was making was that Floyd need not lie awake at night, fearing the "international arrest warrant"

Just another farce in this sad saga.

Don't know WTF the French are thinking ... get over it !

[Old Runner Guy]

I think the point I was making was that Floyd need not lie awake at night, fearing the "international arrest warrant"

Just another farce in this sad saga.

Don't know WTF the French are thinking ... get over it !

Its not a "international" arrest warrant but a national one.

some quotes from the LA times

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-floyd-...0,5977568.story

Landis on Monday denied he hacked anything and said no one has served any warrant against him, though he wasn't sure whether his former coach, Arnie Baker, had received one. It was allegedly a computer registered to Baker that is associated with the case.

"I can't speak for Arnie, but no attempt has been made to formally contact me," Landis said in an e-mail. "It appears to be another case of fabricated evidence by a French lab who is still upset a United States citizen believed he should have the right to face his accusers and defend himself."

Baker did not respond to e-mail or phone messages.

The original allegations of hacking were based on an electronic paper trail that allegedly was tied to Baker's computer address.

But Philip Lieberman, founder and chief executive of Lieberman Software, a Los Angeles-based company that specializes in software management, including security issues, said he thinks there must be more to the story.

"This story is contradictory in that, in one sense, there seem to be extensive logs, yet it is a system that appears to be capable of being hacked into. You either are not security-aware and don't have logs or are security-aware and do have logs."

Lieberman said he would like to ask the lab who had access to the system.

"An interesting question about this," he said, "is was there a third party involved that had authorization to get through the firewall to see results and shared that account?"

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 16 2010, 11:48 PM

[D-Queued]

Its not a "international" arrest warrant but a national one.

some quotes from the LA times

...

Perhaps you should consider which fish wrap you are relying upon

CBS:A French judge has issued an international arrest warrant for U.S. cyclist Floyd Landis

Dave.

[Old Runner Guy]

Perhaps you should consider which fish wrap you are relying upon

CBS:A French judge has issued an international arrest warrant for U.S. cyclist Floyd Landis

Dave.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-war...andis-in-france


According to Agency France Presse, the warrant is valid for France, suggesting he will only be arrested if he steps foot on French soil.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 03:27 AM

[D-Queued]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-war...andis-in-france
According to Agency France Presse, the warrant is valid for France, suggesting he will only be arrested if he steps foot on French soil.

So, I guess it is ok then? Landis should mock this?

Are you also being dismissive of something this significant?

Anyhow, try another source:

An international warrant essentially puts him on INTERPOL's wanted list and begins the process for possible extradition to France

This version is consistent with the original Reuters report that described an "International Arrest Warrant".

Meanwhile, your source, CyclingNews (no offense guys), cannot make up its mind http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/internatio...andis-in-france

Isn't it time that Landis manned up here?

And, does it really matter whether it is national or international? If only national now, should we not expect an international version to follow?

Whether national or international, having an arrest warrant served isn't exactly a good thing. This has been a topic here for months, with the story of the request to appear ("French Authorities Summon Landis and Baker") breaking last May - almost a year ago.

Landis' recent claims of being unaware come across as contrived at best.

Thus far, Landis' handling of this is, unfortunately, appears more consistent with sociopathic behavior than social responsibility.

Dave.

[Old Runner Guy]

So, I guess it is ok then? Landis should mock this?

Are you also being dismissive of something this significant?

Anyhow, try another source:

An international warrant essentially puts him on INTERPOL's wanted list and begins the process for possible extradition to France

This version is consistent with the original Reuters report that described an "International Arrest Warrant".

Meanwhile, your source, CyclingNews (no offense guys), cannot make up its mind http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/internatio...andis-in-france

Isn't it time that Landis manned up here?

And, does it really matter whether it is national or international? If only national now, should we not expect an international version to follow?

Whether national or international, having an arrest warrant served isn't exactly a good thing. This has been a topic here for months, with the story of the request to appear ("French Authorities Summon Landis and Baker") breaking last May - almost a year ago.

Landis' recent claims of being unaware come across as contrived at best.

Thus far, Landis' handling of this is, unfortunately, appears more consistent with sociopathic behavior than social responsibility.

Dave.

Since you mocked the FFF so much, why don't you donate Landis $50k to go to Paris and answer these charges (see the post in the Landis channel for why it would cost $50k).

Call it the "Go To Paris Fund" You need Floyd's address, happy to PM it to you.

This post has been edited by Old Runner Guy: Feb 17 2010, 05:14 AM

[D-Queued]

Since you mocked the FFF so much, why don't you donate Landis $50k to go to Paris and answer these charges (see the post in the Landis channel for why it would cost $50k).

Call it the "Go To Paris Fund" You need Floyd's address, happy to PM it to you.

If you can assure me that Landis will go to Paris, and that my $50 is truly required, then no problem.

I am sure I could provide it to Vaughn, who could forward it anon.

Dave.

[Tick]

The orginial source for all the news stories was a Reuters interview with Bordry, who called it an "international" arrest warrant.

A French judiciary spokesperson later said that was incorrect and that it is only national.

That is why there is some confusion, and why the CN story was changed.

Susan