Update on LeMond versus Armstrong, versus Trek Options

[D-Queued]

We may finally get more visibility into the legal battle.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1244596343...eTabs%3Darticle

The Trek lawsuit, which was filed in the spring of last year, is essentially a contract dispute, but has been largely overshadowed by the feud. In court filings, Mr. LeMond levels some explosive charges, alleging that Mr. Armstrong paid off cycling officials to avoid positive drug tests and worked with a doctor known for his blood-doping expertise.

I am sure that those with vested interests will find lots to comment on here.

Dave.

[Ali]

We may finally get more visibility into the legal battle.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1244596343...eTabs%3Darticle

The Trek lawsuit, which was filed in the spring of last year, is essentially a contract dispute, but has been largely overshadowed by the feud. In court filings, Mr. LeMond levels some explosive charges, alleging that Mr. Armstrong paid off cycling officials to avoid positive drug tests and worked with a doctor known for his blood-doping expertise.

I am sure that those with vested interests will find lots to comment on here.

Dave.

LeMond is an absolute diamond. I don't know how much longer he can avoid a padded room, but I for one hope it's a longgggg time. He cracks me up ...

Poor Lance. It's not like he can't return fire (François Bellocq), but nobody can outclass Greg nowadays when it comes to outrageous accusations. That's what I admire about Greg ... he never let's the truth get in the way of a good story ...

[lakeArrowheadrider]

The picture of Greg's arm around LA at the tour in 99 is strange. Didn't he call his victory the biggest come back in the history of sports or the biggest fraud, at that same time?

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P...90609163831.jpg

I also did not know that Greg showed up to crash the press conference with LA and Catlin, strange behavior and there is no point to it.

Putting LA aside for a moment, Greg is a little off his rocker and I am sorry to see that.

This post has been edited by lakeArrowheadrider: Jun 11 2009, 07:47 PM

[Steve in ATL]

The picture of Greg's arm around LA at the tour in 99 is strange. Didn't he call his victory the biggest come back in the history of sports or the biggest fraud, at that same time?

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P...90609163831.jpg

I also did not know that Greg showed up to crash the press conference with LA and Catlin, strange behavior and there is no point to it.

Putting LA aside for a moment, Greg is a little off his rocker and I am sorry to see that.

I miss the Combinè jersey...

[Maya]

In April, Mr. LeMond's lawyers accused Trek in court papers of organizing an anti-LeMond smear campaign with the help of Public Strategies Inc., a political consulting firm that has done work for high-profile political figures. Public Strategies also employs Mark McKinnon, who sits on the board of Mr. Armstrong's charity and has offices in the same building with Mr. Armstrong's handlers at Capital Sports and Entertainment in the San Jacinto Center in Austin, Texas.

i'm sure posting anti-lemond comments on cycling forums was part of that strategy.

likeArrowHeadrider, if you don't know the chronology of events, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to judgment.

I miss the Combinè jersey...

i couldn't agree with you more, steve. i'd love to get my hands on one too, anyone still make them?

[lakeArrowheadrider]

i'm sure posting anti-lemond comments on cycling forums was part of that strategy.

likeArrowHeadrider, if you don't know the chronology of events, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to judgment.
i couldn't agree with you more, steve. i'd love to get my hands on one too, anyone still make them?

The chronology of events is not important to my thinking that Gred IMO is off his rocker. He has an obsession. This whole thing would make a great Telenovela style show. Maybe this is where they get their script ideas from.

[Ali]

The chronology of events is not important to my thinking that Gred IMO is off his rocker. He has an obsession. This whole thing would make a great Telenovela style show. Maybe this is where they get their script ideas from.

I agree it's sad about Greg (or was it Greg's sad ? .. no matter). The trouble with Greg is that he cares too much. Whereas most ex-dopers move on and publish books about their exploits, Greg has carved a niche for himself as cleaner than clean and he's put himself in a difficult position ... one which he clearly can't cope with. In Greg's defense, I would say that at the time, he didn't realise that he was doping. It was the realisation after the event which was so cruel.

Greg's a victim and is now paying the price. Seems to be a recurring theme in his life (allegedly)

[D-Queued]

I agree it's sad about Greg (or was it Greg's sad ? .. no matter). The trouble with Greg is that he cares too much. Whereas most ex-dopers move on and publish books about their exploits, Greg has carved a niche for himself as cleaner than clean and he's put himself in a difficult position ... one which he clearly can't cope with. In Greg's defense, I would say that at the time, he didn't realise that he was doping. It was the realisation after the event which was so cruel.

Greg's a victim and is now paying the price. Seems to be a recurring theme in his life (allegedly)

Are you predicting a complete mental meltdown for Lance when he, gasp, realizes that all of that training advice that he has been getting from Ferrari actually was doping products?

Poor guy is going to get himself committed.

Dave.

[Ali]

Are you predicting a complete mental meltdown for Lance ...
Dave.

Yeah, right after hell freezes over. Lance and Greg ? Different animals.

[Velo]

Greg Lemond, thank god for the guy. The only American GT winner other than Hampsten with a shred of honesty, decency, and integrity. Oh, that and needlemark-less arms, too.

[zarathustra]

I also did not know that Greg showed up to crash the press conference with LA and Catlin, strange behavior and there is no point to it.

You must have been on a Himalaya trecking tour that you missed that "crash".
It confirms my idea that the majority of Lance`s defenders are just people who are not well informed.

[D-Queued]

You must have been on a Himalaya trecking tour that you missed that "crash".
It confirms my idea that the majority of Lance`s defenders are just people who are not well informed.

Or, deliberate willfull ignorance.

Dave.

[ElizaB]

He has an obsession.

Not letting oneself get smeared, not taking lightly the fact that his business was destroyed because he spoke up as an anti-doping advocate and doing so through legal means says he's obsessed? Oh yeah. Shut-up Greg! Let yourself be a doormat - what's wrong with you that you won't?!

Those of you who are the staunchest fans of lance still have not yet explained all the descrepancies in his story. Just how do you explain it? Oh, you can't. I'm a bitc*, Greg's obsessed, Frankie's jealous.....good good argument. On to the facts please. I've asked 2 years ago to explain descrepancies and not once have any of you anti-Betsy people done so. You stick with the name-calling.

[Ali]

... also did not know that Greg showed up to crash the press conference with LA and Catlin, strange behavior and there is no point to it ...

Oh, but there was a point. I'm sure you've heard that the guilty are always drawn back to the scene of their crime ?

Why do you think Greg circles the light of the anti-doping world like a demented moth ? He is powerless to resist.

[lakeArrowheadrider]

You must have been on a Himalaya trecking tour that you missed that "crash".
It confirms my idea that the majority of Lance`s defenders are just people who are not well informed.

For one, I am no LA supporter, I do see some good in his career and things that he has done outside of cycling. Where others think that he is nothing short of Lucifer's son and may even have "666" on his scalp. Hey, maybe that is what the French were after, confirmation.

I missed the crashing with Catlin and what does it matter, I would have thought it was lame then too. Greg may have some points, but he comes across as a complete whiner and hung up on LA.

This post has been edited by lakeArrowheadrider: Jun 11 2009, 08:50 PM

[patrick]

Or, deliberate willfull ignorance.

Dave.

your joking right? deliberate, willful ignorance because he didn't know that lemond was at the press conference?

[lakeArrowheadrider]

Not letting oneself get smeared, not taking lightly the fact that his business was destroyed because he spoke up as an anti-doping advocate and doing so through legal means says he's obsessed? Oh yeah. Shut-up Greg! Let yourself be a doormat - what's wrong with you that you won't?!

Those of you who are the staunchest fans of lance still have not yet explained all the descrepancies in his story. Just how do you explain it? Oh, you can't. I'm a bitc*, Greg's obsessed, Frankie's jealous.....good good argument. On to the facts please. I've asked 2 years ago to explain descrepancies and not once have any of you anti-Betsy people done so. You stick with the name-calling.

Look I respect what you say and believe your side of events 100%. I just am not also 100% convinced that Greg was 100% clean when he rode. It seems from a spectators view that he is consumed with LA, and at the end of the day his bike sales short fall is his responsibility and he needs to own that.

This post has been edited by lakeArrowheadrider: Jun 11 2009, 09:00 PM

[D-Queued]

your joking right? deliberate, willful ignorance because he didn't know that lemond was at the press conference?

LakeArrowhead may have missed the conference, or the reference to it. Though it had plenty of splash on here and elsewhere.

But, the comment was more generally directed and actually not meant for Lake Arrowhead at all.

... circles the light of the anti-doping world like a demented moth ? He is powerless to resist.

Mirror, mirror on the wall?

Or, was it something about the glass house?

Dave.

[Ali]

... Oh yeah. Shut-up Greg! Let yourself be a doormat - what's wrong with you that you won't?!

Nobody's trying to treat LaMond like a doormat. In fact, if he could keep his nose out of other people's business, nobody would show any interest in him.

... I've asked 2 years ago to explain descrepancies and not once have any of you anti-Betsy people done so. You stick with the name-calling.

Two years and nobody can explain the discrepancies that you see ? ... well, maybe there's nothing to explain. A lot of people here seem to have a soft spot for you. Maybe they just don't want to say they can't see the discrepancies.

Anti-Betsy ? I've got an Aunty Mary if that helps ? Maybe not.

I'm afraid "anti-Betsy" opened a whole can of worms for me. Pro-Lance = anti-Betsy ? Let's not go there.

[zarathustra]

But, the comment was more generally directed and actually not meant for Lake Arrowhead at all.

Exactly. Not it`s not only about Lance`s defenders. If I look at other cases it`s the same. For example the Floyd case. The major part of his loyal defenders were people who had only superficial knowledge about Cycling. People who didn`t have much knowledge about the doping things. Tom Fine or Judge Hue - really painful to see that kind of naivity.
Or our forum-clown Ali. Writes about the Vrijman-report and obviously did not follow Cycling when the report was published in 06. Ignorance - willful or not - certainly is a major root of the doping apology problem.