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| floyd |
 Oct 7 2006, 05:39 PM
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Probably time to start over since we've long lost sight of the Greg LeMond radio show.
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| vaunTrevi |
Oct 7 2006, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(floyd @ Oct 7 2006, 10:39 AM)  Probably time to start over since we've long lost sight of the Greg LeMond radio show. Great idea Floyd... Welcome to the Forums! Thanks, Vaughn |
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| ludwig |
Oct 7 2006, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(vaunTrevi @ Oct 7 2006, 05:54 PM) Great idea Floyd... Welcome to the Forums! Thanks, Vaughn Welcome!  |
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| rational head |
Oct 7 2006, 06:22 PM
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Floyd, you mentioned that you intend to put up all the relevant info on your site in a matter of days.
Did you mean all those 400+ pages you received from LNDD? It would be extremely interesting for me and the other science geeks here to see that carbon isotope test results. ..As with openness about your wattages it would be consistent with your image and rather unique for a pro rider... -------------------- Thanks
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| floyd |
Oct 7 2006, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(rational head @ Oct 7 2006, 06:22 PM) Floyd, you mentioned that you intend to put up all the relevant info on your site in a matter of days. Did you mean all those 400+ pages you received from LNDD? It would be extremely interesting for me and the other science geeks here to see that carbon isotope test results. ..As with openness about your wattages it would be consistent with your image and rather unique for a pro rider... I intend to put all of the info that I have, up to this point, including the 370 pages. Just so you know, however, they are in french since I haven't found a competent person to translate them for us. I am sure you guys will have fun with it. |
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| frenchfry |
Oct 7 2006, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(floyd @ Oct 7 2006, 08:26 PM) I intend to put all of the info that I have, up to this point, including the 370 pages. Just so you know, however, they are in french since I haven't found a competent person to translate them for us. I am sure you guys will have fun with it. Sorry, but competent translators are not difficult to come by. If you want I can give you some names. |
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| Veloflash |
Oct 7 2006, 06:35 PM
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On the Lemond thread you claimed:
"Concerning the peleton standing up together, a person can be suspended for trying to start a union." But there already exists a union. How do you explain their existence in the light of your statement? The objectives of this union appear to be noble: The main objective which the CPA set itself is the defense and the improvement of riders' status - to be involved, in the same capacity as the AIOCC and AIGCP, in works and decisions taken by the UCI - to have permanent representatives in the main UCI commissions and on the UCI ProTour Council (CUPT) - to co-ordinate all actions of national associations and act as an intermediary in the event of problems which go beyond national boundaries - to divulge a better image of riders in the fight against doping. For several years, 2% of all prize money is given as a contribution from riders against the fight against doping. It is important to know that this situation does not exist in any other sport - to establish a reliable working relationship between riders and their employers and fix minimum salaries as well as social cover relating to the risks of their job - to improve riders' relationships with all other parties involved in professional cycling - to maintain rider's rights with other bodies, when carrying out their profession -------------------- "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
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| vaunTrevi |
Oct 7 2006, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(Veloflash @ Oct 7 2006, 11:35 AM) On the Lemond thread you claimed: "Concerning the peleton standing up together, a person can be suspended for trying to start a union." But there already exists a union. How do you explain their existence in the light of your statement? The objectives of this union appear to be noble: The main objective which the CPA set itself is the defense and the improvement of riders' status - to be involved, in the same capacity as the AIOCC and AIGCP, in works and decisions taken by the UCI - to have permanent representatives in the main UCI commissions and on the UCI ProTour Council (CUPT) - to co-ordinate all actions of national associations and act as an intermediary in the event of problems which go beyond national boundaries - to divulge a better image of riders in the fight against doping. For several years, 2% of all prize money is given as a contribution from riders against the fight against doping. It is important to know that this situation does not exist in any other sport - to establish a reliable working relationship between riders and their employers and fix minimum salaries as well as social cover relating to the risks of their job - to improve riders' relationships with all other parties involved in professional cycling - to maintain rider's rights with other bodies, when carrying out their profession I think you would find that the CPA is nothing more than an arm of the UCI and professional Association, it has an advisory position. It is not however, not a union that represents the riders rights, negotiates contracts and work conditions... more like a pet dog without any teeth. |
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| formerlyfit |
Oct 7 2006, 06:47 PM
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And Boonen claims that Voigt would sign them up to racing 200km on sand
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| frenchfry |
Oct 7 2006, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(Veloflash @ Oct 7 2006, 08:35 PM) On the Lemond thread you claimed: "Concerning the peleton standing up together, a person can be suspended for trying to start a union." But there already exists a union. How do you explain their existence in the light of your statement? The objectives of this union appear to be noble: The main objective which the CPA set itself is the defense and the improvement of riders' status - to be involved, in the same capacity as the AIOCC and AIGCP, in works and decisions taken by the UCI - to have permanent representatives in the main UCI commissions and on the UCI ProTour Council (CUPT) - to co-ordinate all actions of national associations and act as an intermediary in the event of problems which go beyond national boundaries - to divulge a better image of riders in the fight against doping. For several years, 2% of all prize money is given as a contribution from riders against the fight against doping. It is important to know that this situation does not exist in any other sport - to establish a reliable working relationship between riders and their employers and fix minimum salaries as well as social cover relating to the risks of their job - to improve riders' relationships with all other parties involved in professional cycling - to maintain rider's rights with other bodies, when carrying out their profession Thanks veloflash, now I don't have to look this up. Pretty weak excuse from a Tour de France winner. Seems to me the CPA has been pretty silent on the issue of supposed problems in the testing procedures. Furthermore there has been surprising little support given to those who have tested positive and claim their innocence. Where is the support for Lloyd? Where was the support for Tyler? Not from their fellow pros, at least not publicly. And a pet dog without teeth can still bark! This post has been edited by frenchfry: Oct 7 2006, 06:52 PM |
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| floyd |
Oct 7 2006, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(frenchfry @ Oct 7 2006, 06:49 PM) Thanks veloflash, now I don't have to look this up. Pretty weak excuse from a Tour de France winner. Seems to me the CPA has been pretty silent on the issue of supposed problems in the testing procedures. Furthermore there has been surprising little support given to those who have tested positive and claim their innocence. Where is the support for Lloyd? Where was the support for Tyler? Not from their fellow pros, at least not publicly. And a pet dog without teeth can still bark! Sure, barking from behind a fence is not unlike insults by someone withholding their real name. It is against the rules to be a UCI license holder and be involved in events or organizations which compete with the UCI. Please, angry dog, spell out what the UCI stands for. |
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| formerlyfit |
Oct 7 2006, 07:11 PM
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Floyd, welcome to the forums.
I've got to say on your case that I'm pretty sceptical as I haven't seen much yet in anything that has been released that throws too much doubt on the test results. What I'm hoping for is to see some conclusive information either way. -------------------- The revolution will not be motorised!
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| floyd |
Oct 7 2006, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(formerlyfit @ Oct 7 2006, 07:11 PM) Floyd, welcome to the forums. I've got to say on your case that I'm pretty sceptical as I haven't seen much yet in anything that has been released that throws too much doubt on the test results. What I'm hoping for is to see some conclusive information either way. Thanks, and keep in mind that you haven't seen the test results either. I don't blame you for the scepticism but apply it to everything which you have not seen. |
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| rational head |
Oct 7 2006, 07:17 PM
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Hey Floyd, on a different note..What do you think of the last Vuelta? Of Vino/Valverde stunt...of Astana's troubles? There is so much to talk besides the dam UCI...
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| floyd |
Oct 7 2006, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(rational head @ Oct 7 2006, 07:17 PM) Hey Floyd, on a different note..What do you think of the last Vuelta? Of Vino/Valverde stunt...of Astana's troubles? There is so much to talk besides the dam UCI... I saw a very exciting bicycle race, and am sorry for them that the subject couldn't be about the race and that we now have people who can catch dopers by only watching a race on television. I know Vino and Valverde to both be good people with nothing but friends in the peleton. There are others of whome I would not say the same but those two are sincerely good people. |
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| rational head |
Oct 7 2006, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(floyd @ Oct 7 2006, 07:21 PM) I saw a very exciting bicycle race, and am sorry for them that the subject couldn't be about the race and that we now have people who can catch dopers by only watching a race on television. I know Vino and Valverde to both be good people with nothing but friends in the peleton. There are others of whome I would not say the same but those two are sincerely good people. You think you could beat Vino in the Tout if he was in Vuelta shape? -------------------- Thanks
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| floyd |
Oct 7 2006, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(rational head @ Oct 7 2006, 07:24 PM) You think you could beat Vino in the Tout if he was in Vuelta shape? He is one of the best and I was lucky that he wasn't at the tour. I wish, however, that he had been there because he deserved to be. |
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| formerlyfit |
Oct 7 2006, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(floyd @ Oct 7 2006, 11:14 PM) Thanks, and keep in mind that you haven't seen the test results either. I don't blame you for the scepticism but apply it to everything which you have not seen. Of course scepticism has to run both ways. I'm not married to any position; in a sport that I love to the point of unhealthy obsession, there have been too many confusing revelations to have any firm beliefs, I just enjoy it while I can but I do want to be able to believe that it is getting cleaner. QUOTE(floyd @ Oct 7 2006, 11:21 PM) I saw a very exciting bicycle race, and am sorry for them that the subject couldn't be about the race and that we now have people who can catch dopers by only watching a race on television. I know Vino and Valverde to both be good people with nothing but friends in the peleton. There are others of whome I would not say the same but those two are sincerely good people. What about some of the up and coming GT riders we saw in the Vuelta? What are your opinions on guys like Kaschekhin, Gomez Marchante and Brajkovic? (Maybe this thread should get moved out of the Doping forum, I'm asking about their riding, not their character). This post has been edited by formerlyfit: Oct 7 2006, 08:47 PM -------------------- The revolution will not be motorised!
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| sundaymorning |
Oct 7 2006, 07:36 PM
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i guess my question would be along the lines of formerlyfit's comment. how do you feel about all the operation puerto allegations? i think all that has really hurt you in the court of public opinion. if ullrich and basso had not been banned it would be much easier to see your case as an isolated mistake.
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| ludwig |
Oct 7 2006, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(sundaymorning @ Oct 7 2006, 07:36 PM) i guess my question would be along the lines of formerlyfit's comment. how do you feel about all the operation puerto allegations? i think all that has really hurt you in the court of public opinion. if ullrich and basso had not been banned it would be much easier to see your case as an isolated mistake. Floyd: In addition, do you have thoughts on the OP case against your tmates Botero and Gutierrez? |
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