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Ah, Horner the bagman. Got it. It would have been much better if Horner would have ridden up to GH and whacked him with a horse's head.

GH said he would be racing in the US in the future. So much for the "deal".

Anybody catch the interview with Chris Horner today, bragging about how good of a sponsor Nissan/Trek is...how they have "taken care of him"?

Also, am I the only one that thought it was a dik move he tagged alog with GH the first time down the Champs?

Leafcake, on 22 July 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Huh? Can you enlighten us rubes on how you rationalized that one out? Thanks.

shag, on 16 July 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Oh yeah, there are bans. I admit I push the boundaries at times, and that is a bad thing to do if you are swimming against the current. It's human nature not to give as much leeway with people you disagree with. I am currently banned for a week, and I don't even know what I did this time. I would like to hang around but we will see; perhaps the reason we left last time is still in play, but I have to talk about cycling somewhere!

Sagan - mico criticising tactics below. I can agree with that except these guys are not machines. Sagan did alot of work on that climb, and he was doing alot downhill. Perhaps he was tired or hurting, else why would he be eating a powerbar 7 miles from the finish? LLS made a great move, that's about all I can say.

Sky painted themselves into a corner with their "clean" proclamations, so I agree they brought some of this on themselves. I lump this into the "WTH?" category, promising to do more than the competition inre to proving you are clean. Why somebody would do that is beyond my comprehension; it opens you up to criticism one way or another and paints the sport in a bad light IMO. Take JV for example....why do you go around touting cleanliness? One could easily conclude because the sport is dirty, and your team is "different". Great PR there for the sport. Then, you go on to win a GT against these non-clean teams and the layman wonders how, and the cynics emerge. Same now with Sky. It's a wicked catch 22 that is not even required IMO.

Moving on, I believe alot of riders do read these forums, and Wiggins snapping at the press didn't come out of left field. But again, I can see your point on this per my paragraph above. I do admit I take a dig at Gilbert now and then; that stunt he pulled last year, along with all the man love he seems to get, is like a baited field to me.

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Then, what is the end game that will make this possible? Everybody publish their blood profiles and let an expert declare who is clean or not, without any AAF's? The passport is supposed to do that. How much of a zoo would the sport be if people started getting sanctions without AAF's from some panel of experts looking at blood profiles, above and beyond testing and the passport? The fact is we will never "know" if somebody is clean. Rider X comes on next year and wins, he gets slagged. Rider Y comes on the following year, he gets slagged. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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I can agree with this. He also had an interview recently I believe discussing the level of proof the passport requires to result in sanctions. I actually agree with that level of proof being required. My opinion flows into my one above; without AAF's you better be 100 percent sure.

There will always be people that cheat or break rules, in anything. Business, speeding, sports, taxes, you can name just about anything. The question is how do we go about mitigating this? I don't believe we can completely, only contain it reasonably while still giving the rider the benefit of the doubt. One thing that I think would go a long way is if one independent org monitored the sport, and dished out sanctions. I am not so sure the testing is as bad as it seems to be, but that puts me way into "conspiracy" area and I try to avoid that, though I do think there are coverups.