Daily Peloton Forums: European Championship Football - Daily Peloton Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

European Championship Football Almost here!

Poll: Who wins? (3 member(s) have cast votes)

Who wins?

  1. Spain (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Germany (3 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  3. Holland (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. England (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. France (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Italy (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Outsider (name) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   VdB 

  • Moderator
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 5,501
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:29 PM

So it's almost Friday, and I'm getting ready for a great 2-3 weeks of tournament football! As usual in the last 10 years or so Belgium failed to qualify, but this time it was actually very disappointing since we have a great team that wouldn't be misplaced at this tournament. :angry: But they ####ed it up again.

Ahem. either way, I see two big favorites: Spain and Germany. The latter a little bit more since Spain is missing Villa, and I think it may sink a little into the same problem as Barcelona this season (which is largely the Spanish midfield anyway), where they have constant possession but sometimes (like vs Chelsea) miss that little cutting edge goalscoring ability that Villa brings. Germany was mighty impressive in the group stage, scoring 30/30 and never even looking bothered. And as we all know they're a tournament team.

Below that there's Holland who, as much as I hate the Dutch national football team and all their fans, have a rock solid offensive compartment with Affelay left, Van Persie centre, Robben right and Sneijder behind them. They are a very mediocre team in defense though, and tend to fail in tournaments. Not to mention their penalty shootout trauma - they have only ever won a penalty shootout at a tournament once in their entire history (2004). Lost everything else. With Robben recently missing important penalties against Dortmund and Chelsea, one could wonder if things are about to get better anytime soon.

Not entirely sure what to think of France and Italy. France has been playing impressively solid lately and has an attractive offensive department with Ribéry, Benzema and Nasri. Defense seems solid too, with a good keeper (always important at a tournament). I think they may surprise a lot of people in the shade of the 'favorites'. Italy has been rebuilding a good team following the disaster at the World Cup in South Africa, but it's probably too early to reap the rewards. The gambling scandal dogging them won't do them much good either, but then they've often performed well in similar situations in the past. Who knows.

England...I'm sorry for The Rake, who may disagree with me entirely, but I think this is an entirely average team featuring a few players that are already over the hill (Terry and Gerrard) and a few young players who barely played a third of the season's game in their respective PL teams. They're of course not helped by the injuries of Lampard and Barry, and Rooney's suspension. On the bright side, for the first time in almost 10 years they have a good to very good goalkeeper in Joe Hart! If England play a la Chelsea, ie defend tooth and nail and hope for the goal, who knows though? It'd be very much like football to see a team this haunted by injury, bad luck and lack of flair to go on and win the European Championship.

I'll gloss over the rest of the teams by saying that my 'further' outsiders are Denmark, who I believe have an underrated team, and Ireland who seem to be so incredibly confident under that old fox Trappatoni's coaching that they may very well go on to win their group - and who knows what happens then? Denmark of course has the problem of sitting in the 'group of death' with Holland, Germany and Portugal but should be comfortable with the thought that for them any result they can get is a good result - while all three others are expecting nothing less than a win. The pressure's off. (besides, Portugal is a rather mediocre team sanse Ronaldo, who can't do everything by himself) Don't underestimate Russia either, but I don't seem them going much further than the semis regardless.

Putting money down on Germany (4/1 to win), France (2.5/1 to reach semis) and two smaller sidebets on Denmark and Ireland to win (1/100 and 1/120 respectively). B)

Would love to hear everyone else's expectations and/or criticisms of my views!
War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted: Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
0

#2 User is offline   The Rake 

  • Cat-2
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,929
  • Joined: 03-May 06
  • Location:Surrey
  • Interests:Cycling, Rugby, Horse Racing, Guitars

Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:35 PM

View PostVdB, on 06 June 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

England...I'm sorry for The Rake, who may disagree with me entirely, but I think this is an entirely average team featuring a few players that are already over the hill (Terry and Gerrard) and a few young players who barely played a third of the season's game in their respective PL teams. They're of course not helped by the injuries of Lampard and Barry, and Rooney's suspension. On the bright side, for the first time in almost 10 years they have a good to very good goalkeeper in Joe Hart! If England play a la Chelsea, ie defend tooth and nail and hope for the goal, who knows though? It'd be very much like football to see a team this haunted by injury, bad luck and lack of flair to go on and win the European Championship.


Rake could not agree with you more. England have, and by and large have always had, an average team. I like the manager, and was glad he got it over Harry Redknapp, but he is no magician. There is very little hunger for international football over here, and the average club fan could not care less about what England do so long as their club pay bazillions for some overrated foreign star.

I'll watch bits, but won't be going out of my way to watch it. More important is the England rugby tour of South Africa.

However, I like a bet, and my money will be on Germany. The Dutch may have scored a million goals in qualifying, but they will (as they always seem to do) find a way to implode. I think Spain are off the boil. So that leaves Germany. Of course, there could always be a Denmark/Greece type surprise
Kristian House...now the most successful cyclist to come from Austin, Texas
0

#3 User is offline   The Rake 

  • Cat-2
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,929
  • Joined: 03-May 06
  • Location:Surrey
  • Interests:Cycling, Rugby, Horse Racing, Guitars

Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:38 PM

View PostVdB, on 06 June 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

I'll gloss over the rest of the teams by saying that my 'further' outsiders are Denmark, who I believe have an underrated team, and Ireland who seem to be so incredibly confident under that old fox Trappatoni's coaching that they may very well go on to win their group - and who knows what happens then? Denmark of course has the problem of sitting in the 'group of death' with Holland, Germany and Portugal but should be comfortable with the thought that for them any result they can get is a good result


If that is the group of death does this mean the Spain, Italy, Ireland group can be called the group of debt??
Kristian House...now the most successful cyclist to come from Austin, Texas
0

#4 User is offline   Burkni 

  • Masters +
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,460
  • Joined: 01-May 06
  • Location:Reykjavík, Iceland
  • Interests:Athletics, cycling, cross-country course design

Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:40 PM

View PostThe Rake, on 07 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

If that is the group of death does this mean the Spain, Italy, Ireland group can be called the group of debt??

:icon_up:
In Vino veritas, 1998-2011.
0

#5 User is offline   Strategy 

  • Elite
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,536
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:42 PM

Germany is my favorite as well.

Denmark... well, basically, anything but three straight defeats will make me happy. Its ironic that we have perhaps the best Danish national team since the triumph of 1992, and then get drawn into a group with three of the favorites to the title.
0

#6 User is offline   Strategy 

  • Elite
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,536
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:25 AM

Incidentally, some of you may have heard that around half of the Ukrainian squad (10+ players) - one of the Championship hosts - have been laid low by a mysterious stomach bug.

Strong rumors now that the cause is... doping (gone wrong, obviously). The indications are symptoms which we are familiar with from Cycling: mysterious stomach illness (a frequent cyclist problem... especially in the early nineties), a renowned doctor (Leonid Mironov - doctor of the national team - has been previously suspended along with the ukrainian team that employed him for a doping infraction), and extreme pressure to succeed (Ukraine being the dictatorship that it is).
0

#7 User is offline   Strategy 

  • Elite
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,536
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:10 PM

Yeah!!!

Denmark - Holland 1 - 0

Ok - my Euro '12 is already a success. :lol:
0

#8 User is offline   VdB 

  • Moderator
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 5,501
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:46 PM

View PostStrategy, on 09 June 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

Yeah!!!

Denmark - Holland 1 - 0

Ok - my Euro '12 is already a success. :lol:



:lol: So happy to see the Dutch losing their first game!

Pretty good football so far these first few days, especially compared to the snoozefest that was last World Cup's first week. :blink:
War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted: Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
0

#9 User is offline   crockett 

  • Cat-5
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,257
  • Joined: 30-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Armenia (City In the Sky)
  • Interests:Beer

Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:56 PM

As far as disliked players go, I have to imagine nobody can top John Terry. But as far as what his own teammates think of the player, would Zoltan Ibrahimovic be number 1? His lack of hustle, sneering and gesticulating at teammates would drive me crazy.
0

#10 User is offline   VdB 

  • Moderator
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 5,501
  • Joined: 30-April 06

Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:44 AM

View Postcrockett, on 12 June 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

As far as disliked players go, I have to imagine nobody can top John Terry. But as far as what his own teammates think of the player, would Zoltan Ibrahimovic be number 1? His lack of hustle, sneering and gesticulating at teammates would drive me crazy.


I think anyone would agree that Zlatan is a massive douchebag, but he is also a brilliant football player. In my book (I know not everyone agrees on this) he is perhaps one of the most talented players in the game in the last 10 years. So I understand why he gets on the big teams and why his somewhat disinterested behavior is tolerated by the Swedish team (I actually think he is not disliked within the team, but I'm not sure). And it cannot be denied that the man is an almost guarantee for success: he's won 8 consecutive league championships at 5(!) different clubs in the last 9 seasons. The streak was broken this year when Milan came in second to Juventus only. He also has been a pretty prolific scorer at every one of his clubs. So...plenty of reasons to overlook his being a giant egomaniac.

Re: Terry: I thought Hodgeson's decision to not call up Ferdinand as a replacement for Cahill was pretty dodgy. Sure, you don't want strife in your team if you can avoid it, but Kelly, really? It's sad when you're siding with the (alleged) racist over not calling up a player just because they may not get along. Don't get me wrong, I think both terry and ferdinand are over the hill. :P

This Euro 2012 has been growing on me a lot. I usually don't care that much for the euros, especially when Belgium isn't there, but I've been enjoying this tournament tremendously so far. Pretty open football, good atmosphere, relatively many goals for a first week of a big tournament. Good stuff.

One of the highlights so far was the Irish fans starting to sing The Fields of Athenry in one voice, for a full 5 minutes, when 4-0 down to Spain. Total goosebumps. This is what being a football fan is about...here's a link, enjoy!

http://www.sporza.be...alink/1.1333151

Also, it makes me realize HOW MUCH I HATED THOSE FREAKING VUVUZELAS AT THE WORLD CUP!!! :lol:
War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted: Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
0

#11 User is offline   The Rake 

  • Cat-2
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,929
  • Joined: 03-May 06
  • Location:Surrey
  • Interests:Cycling, Rugby, Horse Racing, Guitars

Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:54 PM

View PostVdB, on 15 June 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:


One of the highlights so far was the Irish fans starting to sing The Fields of Athenry in one voice, for a full 5 minutes, when 4-0 down to Spain. Total goosebumps. This is what being a football fan is about...here's a link, enjoy!



Even better when the Munster rugby fans sing it on a wet night at Thomond Park in Limerick (less so when it is your side being thoroughly humiliated in the downpour at the time...)
Kristian House...now the most successful cyclist to come from Austin, Texas
0

#12 User is offline   The Rake 

  • Cat-2
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 2,929
  • Joined: 03-May 06
  • Location:Surrey
  • Interests:Cycling, Rugby, Horse Racing, Guitars

Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:52 PM

Umm, a bit embarrassed to say England won their group. Luck playing its part at last.

Also, in Hodgson's defence, I haven't seen England play as such a unit for a long time. Previously it was just a bunch of expensive individuals believing the hype about themselves. We may finally have released that it is a team game.

Still going to lose against Italy
Kristian House...now the most successful cyclist to come from Austin, Texas
0

#13 User is offline   Burkni 

  • Masters +
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 6,460
  • Joined: 01-May 06
  • Location:Reykjavík, Iceland
  • Interests:Athletics, cycling, cross-country course design

Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:21 PM

Sadly, yes. Would dearly love to see the Wops bow out to the Poms.
In Vino veritas, 1998-2011.
0

Share this topic:


Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users