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Armstrong payments to Ferrari uncovered
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 06:35 PM
Thanks for the link! I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone anymore, does it? Is there really anyone out there who still believes LA was clean?
War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted: Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 06:53 PM
VdB, on 22 September 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:
Thanks for the link! I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone anymore, does it? Is there really anyone out there who still believes LA was clean?
Sure LA is clean! He made tons of payments to Ferrari, both directly and through fronts, and Ferrari gave him the perfectly legal advice to increase his pedaling cadence. Sure it was expensive advice, but you can't argue with success.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:21 PM
N.B.O.L., on 22 September 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:
... Ferrari gave him the perfectly legal advice to increase his pedaling cadence. Sure it was expensive advice, but you can't argue with success.
Also to train 365 days a year. That lazy Jan Ullrich would take a week off in December, which is why he never beat Lance. See? Ferrari was worth every penny.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:44 PM
VdB, on 22 September 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:
Thanks for the link! I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone anymore, does it? Is there really anyone out there who still believes LA was clean?
Not at this end
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 10:24 PM
Jayhawk, on 22 September 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:
Also to train 365 days a year. That lazy Jan Ullrich would take a week off in December, which is why he never beat Lance. See? Ferrari was worth every penny.
Duuudes ... wind tunnel testing, anyone?
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 01:37 AM
Burkni, on 22 September 2011 - 10:24 PM, said:
Duuudes ... wind tunnel testing, anyone?
Don't forget the power bars! While Jan was stuffing himself with black forest cake all the time...
I stand corrected.
War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted: Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:14 AM
VdB, on 23 September 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:
Don't forget the power bars! While Jan was stuffing himself with black forest cake all the time...
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
I always thought it was the food weighing thing
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:56 AM
mapeifan, on 25 September 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:
I always thought it was the food weighing thing
375g of power bars vs. 7.3kg of Blacl Forest Gateau. Take your pick
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:22 PM
BTW ...
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
I wonder how much tax payer's money was wasted on that ego trip ? Somebody needs to tell Novitsky to get a proper job and stop being a parasite.
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
I wonder how much tax payer's money was wasted on that ego trip ? Somebody needs to tell Novitsky to get a proper job and stop being a parasite.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 11:42 PM
Ali, on 19 October 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:
BTW ...
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
I wonder how much tax payer's money was wasted on that ego trip ? Somebody needs to tell Novitsky to get a proper job and stop being a parasite.
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
I wonder how much tax payer's money was wasted on that ego trip ? Somebody needs to tell Novitsky to get a proper job and stop being a parasite.
Hey, You're Scottish (land of my ancestors)!!!...how dare you tell us Yanks how to waste money and ruin the environment!
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:16 PM
DPCandND, on 19 October 2011 - 11:42 PM, said:
Hey, You're Scottish (land of my ancestors)!!!...how dare you tell us Yanks how to waste money and ruin the environment!
Just trying to help out my distant cousins.
People here can hate all they want but Armstrong's legacy, both on and off the bike, is hard to beat ... fact.
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:03 AM
Ali, on 20 October 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:
Just trying to help out my distant cousins.
People here can hate all they want but Armstrong's legacy, both on and off the bike, is hard to beat ... fact.
People here can hate all they want but Armstrong's legacy, both on and off the bike, is hard to beat ... fact.
His legacy?- that he is a lying drug cheat who never won a monument or even once raced Paris-Roubaix? That's not much of a legacy! I kid, I kid...
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Posted 22 October 2011 - 05:42 PM
mapeifan, on 22 October 2011 - 03:03 AM, said:
His legacy?- that he is a lying drug cheat who never won a monument or even once raced Paris-Roubaix? That's not much of a legacy! I kid, I kid...
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 02:47 PM
Ali, on 19 October 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:
BTW ...
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
Whatever happened to Armstrong's impending doom at the hands of Novitsky ?
I guess that investigation died a death.
No sure about that. This agent is very methodical, thorough. He also knows that against Lance all his ducks must be lined up in a row, little room for error. This investigation is running across borders, and that can take quite some time.
The leaks that appeared on 60 minutes likely indicates that they want public exposure; if this was leaked knowingly by him and his inner circle, I suspect, given how Novitsky works, that they have something of legal significance to offer, we will have to wait and see.
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