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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:08 AM

Well the media certainly like to bag cycling for the problems of doping but I have seen scant comment regarding this one in swimming.




"CAS maintains Brazilian suspensions for 3 of 4
-Waked given 1-year competition ban for second offense

LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND--The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) today announced its ruling in FINA's appeal to recent doping sanctions given to 4 Brazilian swimmers. CAS ruled to dismiss FINA's request for a suspension against 3 of the 4 swimmers involved (Henrique Barbosa, Cesar Cielo and Nicholas dos Santos), leaving them with the sanctions given by the Brazilian panel last month (a warning and nullification of the times/results from the meet where the test was conducted). For the fourth swimmer, Vinícius Waked, the CAS panel imposed a 1-year competition ban, citing that this was Waked second doping offence (following a 2-month suspension in 2010).

Of note:
-The swimmers identified the source of the control suspension as
coming from a prescribed caffeine supplement.
-FINA was seeking 3-month competition bans for Barbosa, Cielo and
Santos; and a 1-year ban for Waked. Interestingly the 3-month ban would
have just covered the 2011 Worlds (if started from the May meet, it
would have ended in earlier August: even before the 2011 World
University Games).

CAS release on the ruling can be found on their website here:
http://www.tas-cas.o...H2021.07.11.pdf
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This is from the World Swimming Coaches Association daily newsletter. Now some of you may not know Cesar Cielo but he is a current world champion in 50 and 100 metres freestyle so he he is way up there in the swimming world. Now this is how other sports deal with dopers. Just anul the results where they were busted. No suspension. Unbelievable and CAS has gone along with it. Maybe Contador has nothing to worry about if this is how they deal with cheats. Or maybe it is just cycling that gets bashed.

I still cannot believe that the general media has not caused a sh!t storm over this. But that it the way it is.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:29 AM

Unbelievable.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 01:19 AM

Oh ... I should have added that the drug they were busted with was a diuretic. Similar to that which saw Kolobnev witdraw from the tour recently. I will watch with interest what happens to Kolobnev now that his B sample went positive.

The Brazilian swimmers lost their results from one swim meet. Kolobnev is going to have to pay his team 5 x his salary plus no doubt get suspended for a long time. If he is smart he should look at their defense. The CAS could hardly treat him differently ....ooops I forgot ... he is a cyclist.

I still want to know why the media isn't all over it.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:52 AM

View Postbuddy, on 22 July 2011 - 01:19 AM, said:

I still want to know why the media isn't all over it.


They are here.

Swimming is absurd. You have punishments for doping offences of two weeks suspensions. Yeah - 2 weeks.

But this is nothing new. Cycling is the bad boy in the class who gets all the blame so that fans of other sports can pretend that doping is not a problem in their preferred entertainment.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:12 AM

View PostStrategy, on 22 July 2011 - 09:52 AM, said:

They are here.

Swimming is absurd. You have punishments for doping offences of two weeks suspensions. Yeah - 2 weeks.

But this is nothing new. Cycling is the bad boy in the class who gets all the blame so that fans of other sports can pretend that doping is not a problem in their preferred entertainment.


True. I think cycling is the whipping boy in this issue, been it for a long time, and don't see an end to it in the future. UM football's reputation (my back yard growing up), long after its nasty-boys heyday and after straightening itself out, went through a long period where they got hammered for years after they no longer displayed thug attitudes and behaviour.

I was relieved to see that the Feds chose not to come out with charges against LA during the Tour. The timing would have given our 3-week time to shine a bigger black eye. Likely something coming out after a polite post-Tour space.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:18 PM

According to one very interesting study by the European Parliament (comparing cycling, football, athletics and swimming) there are great differences not only between different federation as to how they impose sanctions but also in their transparency, number of tests, rate of positives and even cultural/national aspects.

Despite being our favorite beating boy, the UCI actually comes out looking good in the study...But not FINA.

While a signatory to WADA code, just like the UCI, FINA is among the least transparent with a quarter rate of positives and some of the more lenient sanctions.

However, the cited case above though in tune with FINA's general poor anti-doping record, appears to be quite different and may in fact represent reality as seen by CAS.


FINA's doping control rules provide specific examples of lenient sanctions in certain cases and don't seem to contradict WADA code.

To me It looks like CAS when endorsing the less severe sanctions only acted in in accordance with the presented evidence and the FINA's own rules.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 03:49 PM

View Postbuddy, on 22 July 2011 - 01:19 AM, said:

Oh ... I should have added that the drug they were busted with was a diuretic.


Eww.

Don't diuretics make you pee more?

Wouldn't want to get in a pool with them :P

Not happy with the penalties.

Swimming the darling of the Olympic movement. About 432 medal opportunities in that sport - every distance you can think of multiplied by every stroke. Imagine having a Road Race, a road race in bottom gear, a road race on fixed wheel, a road race doing a wheelie....and then a relya doing a wheelie.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 09:58 PM

Every time I see Nadal beat Federer I feel disgusted, so this isn't much of a shocker imho. It always happens in every sport except theirs. Of course.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:48 AM

Yeah I can never enjoy watching Nadal for that same reason. I think we all know why Operation Puerto never uncovered anything accept a few cyclists.

I am happy that cycling is here it is at. In a few years time it will be even better and we won't have these perpetual problems. The other sports can have those .... eventually.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 07:17 AM

View PostThe Rake, on 25 July 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

...and then a relya doing a wheelie.

:lol:

View PostVdB, on 25 July 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

Every time I see Nadal beat Federer I feel disgusted, so this isn't much of a shocker imho. It always happens in every sport except theirs. Of course.

Frankly, around the time of Puerto, Nadal's biceps had biceps of their own (too lazy to search for a pic)
He doesn't look like that anymore. Endurance seems undiminished though.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:55 AM

Well Cesar Cielo the Brazilian swimmer who should be suspended for doping has now just won a gold medal (defending his previous title) at the recent world swimming championships. Yay Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Now FINA (governing body of swimming) is talking about introducing a blood passport. Yeah ...to do what? As if they will ever take action on a blood passport infraction. Even when you are busted you get off with a wrist slap.

Seriously ......

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 04:02 PM

Well Buddy, were you expecting the Chinese officials to bust anyone at the swim meet? Hardly likely. Was also suspicious of the relatively "clean" Olympics they had...they want everything to be "squeaky" clean and run smoothly. This from the land that had dairy distributors add melamine to milk to make it look "thicker" and "richer" to their own people and lets not forget the melamine that was added to dry dog food that was imported in to North America. Lots of sick and dead dogs...
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